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daxomni
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I don't think reverse importation is a huge issue in most cases, except in the case of hentai, where the R1 release is typically uncensored while the R2 release is typically featured with some sort of mosaic effect. As such, even though the R1 release is typically far later than the R2 release there is still a reverse market for it. |
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doctordoom85
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1. Quality of anime is subjective. Personally, I think the ratio of "good to bad" is the same as always. 2. Honestly, if you look for good deals, and compare it to other DVDs, the pricing is only slightly higher (sometimes lower, in fact) 3. I'll give you this one, though if anyone is still buying video games, normal DVDs, CDs, etc. and says "I can't afford anime because of the economy", well they're full of BS obviously 4. Yet con attendance is increasing each year. The fandom is growing, but those who prefer free anime over supporting the anime industry are growing as well. Also, was Pokemon that much of a boost for the anime industry? Seemed more like a boost for Nintendo from my point of view. 5. You never would have known it existed? Err, we're on the INTERNET, you have access to info about pretty much every anime ever made |
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Kireek
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Agree with above post.........its also funny how these anime *fans* say $20 dollars is to much but wouldnt question paying $20 to watch a basketball match
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CyberTRex8u
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so, obviously, if a trailer doesnt catch your attention or the show doesnt seem attractive, then ofcourse you wont buy it. but by saying that, are you saying for an anime youve never seen before thats come out with a trailer, and the trailer turned out to be bad, that its still gonna be a good show anyway? but youll only judge it after seeing the complete version? the only thing i will agree with you is that if a trailer tells me nothing about what its promoting, then i wont buy it because i have no interest. thats kind of a given. and i think we are all guilty of buying bargain bin stuff for something we thought we would never buy, including DVDs and anime, maybe even games. [/b]Kireek We are Hommies now 
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CCSYueh
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Can't you say the same about television from ANY country other than one's own? How do you know you want to buy this or that title that's #1 in Germany or France or Romania? Doesn't give you some sort of god-given right to download episodes should someone be uploading them somewhere. Anime is simply a Japanese show not all of which even air on TV (see OVA/OAV). Some air on pay-per-view channels. Some are direct to dvd so even the Japanese viewers must pay to see them. How does a Japanese person know if they want to buy Lost or Smallville? If a deal hasn't been cut for it to air or be released on dvd aren't their options similar to our own? One isn't supposed to apply Japanese pricing to the argument because Japanese prices are insane, but you can apply American tv airing rights as a valid excuse for supporting fansubs? How on earth is digital data NOT concrete? Someone took actual time to make this stuff. If you take an hour to do work on your computer it's ok if someone hacks into your computer & takes your work for their own? (Big college term paper so you can graduate, say, or big project keeping your job hangs on) It's just data, right? Yeah, you spent some time (probably nowhere near as long as people making an ep of anime [# of workersXhours]), but it's still just data. Serves you right if someone just takes it, right? |
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Takeyo
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Sounds like someone needs to take a deep breath and count to ten. Seriously, you may want to take a step back from this thread and consider your perspective on the matter. Is it truely your opinion that anyone who believes that anime sold in America is overpriced and chooses to violate IP rights by downloading anime for their personal use deserves to die? Should they get a trial first or can we just summarilly execute anyone in the street whom we suspect downloads anime? |
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Kireek
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When I say shot I dont litterley mean it  No i wish it on nobody to be killed its just a term I and a bunch of other people use........dont ask. I never thought anyone would take me seriously when I posted that. Your post hs made my day good sir I was laughing hard (not at you)
Anyway back on topic |
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GeneralArrow
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This is not that new. I support funimation they have a right to these shows since they have paid the money for it. However I am also a fan of fansubbing. IMO fansubbing helped increase dvd sales in the beginning. I'm a little annoyed that they haven't even let the series finish there runs(Nabari no Ō) though. We should buy the dvds when they come out in our region if we like the show.
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CatzCradle
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There was a C&D notice from Funimation sent to one of the subber groups that mentioned these titles.. |
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cherrywolfchan
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I am sure people have already said what I'm about to say, but I kind of feel like spouting my opinion anyways
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First off, I have a very mixed opinion on this. I think Funimation did the right thing by taking these subs down because not only is it illegal for them to be up, but the Japanese, from what I've heard, are a little tired of things being fansubbed here... it's not very good for the business money-wise when a bunch of people will watch these shows online and never buy the actual products. On the other hand, I don't think fansubs should be taken down just because of the people who do watch and never buy. I think fansubs are good advertisement for series. I would have never bought Princess Tutu if I had never watched it online first. And my sister is the same with Beck. She found and watched it online, loved it, and bought it. But if she would have just seen it in F.Y.E or Best Buy, would have never even thought about buying it. I think industries need to realize that fansubs are both a disadvantage and an advantage. Without fansubs, I wouldn't own a lot of series that I do today and plan on buying as well now that they are licensed. |
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Xanas
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I think you are on to the right idea. The question becomes then, which group is the larger of the 2? I'm betting that these titles being taken down aren't going to see very high sales, and I doubt they will see anymore due to this change. They obviously don't think so (or it just annoys them to no end that people are seeing it for free regardless of whether they get more money out of it).
I don't personally know if overall the industry is better off taking these actions. It's possible that they will help themselves, but ... I kind of doubt it. I think they really don't know how many fansub viewers do buy anime. I think they underestimate the size of that group and have really gone the direction that many on this forum do where they believe someone is either a radical "I deserve free anime" or "I buy everything before I watch anything." I'm going to go so far as to say that most DVD purchases come from people who watch at least some fansubs. Maybe not of what they purchase, but some fansubs. How many of those who do this will become so angry at the industry that they will refuse to buy anything? Probably not a lot, but I likewise see a number hovering just above zero who will suddenly have a flash of inspiration to start buying because they can't get it free. |
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Ultenth
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I think that perhaps you missed the point that others have said in this very page. The pricing for Japanese anime fans is because it is for COLLECTORS, IE it's for people that like having collections of stuff and showing it off. People that just want to watch anime in Japan often don't buy them, instead they simply watch or record and then later watch the shows directly off TV, even if they have to pay for a channel to watch it (how is that different from paying for showtime etc?). People in the US have to shell out $$ for the right to VIEW the anime, not just collect it. We have no other way to simply view the anime and enjoy it, like Japanese viewers do. So the pricing structure does not make sense. Japanese fans are paying to COLLECT the shows, we are paying to simply VIEW them. Many anime fans (such as myself) aren't collectors, I know I don't really collect anything, just not in my nature. But I do like watching anime, and even then, as with most everything else I watch, I only watch it ONCE. In other words, for me, the act of collecting is useless, and something I'm not interested in. But I still have to pay for the price as if I were wanting to collect it, when in reality all I want is to VIEW it, just once, for a reasonable fee. I don't want to watch it over and over and lend it out to friends, I just want to see it, once. I never watch movies more than once, or read books more than once, or watch US TV shows more than once. I don't like being forced into a business model of collecting something in order to enjoy something that I truely like, but only want to watch one time then it's useless to me sitting on a shelf taking up space. TV and online distrubution should be for marketting and growing your product, not for getting even more profit. Just look at Heroes, they put all their episodes for free online to watch, and it, along with other online content, was a huge part of why it is so successful and the DVD's sold so well. All I want is a freakin subscription service, doesn't matter if it's online or a TV channel, so I can simply pay a monthly fee and watch as little or much anime as I want to. |
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bobber205
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Isn't the quality on iTunes a piece of garbage AND it's DRMed? |
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bayoab
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They also announced this during the Fansubbers and Industry panel at Otakon. And for those who complain "but if they aren't coming", they also mentioned some of these titles will be coming out from an R1 company (not necessarily FUNi) when the contracts are done. Last edited by bayoab on Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:36 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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loka
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i suspect they underestimate the amount of those like you. or they simply dont give a shit about you. I am a collector, so I will always buy the physical medium -- but I very much agree that their pricing for downloads are exorbitant for any real fan who watches 1 or 2 episodes per day. |
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