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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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it's due in part that games,still by man are considered to be nothing but children's toys, not a legit art form. think of the same way that most people look at anime and think "it's dem Chinese cartoons" The same logic applies >_> |
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asimpson2006
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But they are still fun though. I am glad to see that this ruling was made. The video game industry does a fairly good job at self regulating themselves with sales of M rated games to minors. They are one of the few and I mean FEW groups which can self regulate themselves. |
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CareyGrant
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Too right. All the retailers I've been to have been very good about following the ESRB guidelines, but the problem lies with either clueless parents who don't make an effort to be more involved with their kids and what they're into, or indifferent parents (shall I say bad?) who just don't care. Either way I've seen parents buy M-rated titles for their kids--like I said, they're either clueless or indifferent. |
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Leon Evolon
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This is certainly a win for the 1st Amendment, which these lawmakers need to take a closer look at I think, but that doesn't change the epidemic of lazy parents we have out there. Over at the game store on Saturday I watched two young children (10 or 12 perhaps) and who I assume was their mother pick up a copy of Dead Space with only a, "How much is it? Here's the money. Bye." Either her children are saintly immune to violent influences or here we have another apathetic parent who will side-step the responsibility of actually being a parent just to keep the kids out of her hair. Step up and talk to your kids, parents, and you might be surprised at how they respond! /rant
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GATSU
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Rancorous:
It's a wedge issue they can use to help voters forget how shitty they are at helping the economy. Schwarzenegger's obviously the biggest effing hypocrite supporting it, though, given his own line of work. Anyway, if they cared that much about kids being exposed to violent media, they'd make it so that parents couldn't bring their bratty and noisy kids to theaters playing R-rated movies. 
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Haterater
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The major problem is that politicians are using these outdated ideals to gain more votes from soccer moms. Its not about children, its about having that "look" of protecting children from the mean, bad "evil cooperations corrupting our youth." Sacrificing freedom of expression to stay in office just a little bit longer. |
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kuroneko2788
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Its like what George Carlin said "you have no rights in this country, only privileges. Rights can't be taken away but privileges can. Anyone who doesn't believe that, just google Japanese-American citizens 1942." I'm happy with this ruling but I doubt it would be of any help if anime/manga come under scrutiny down the line.
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enurtsol
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Of course. SCOTUS are well-known to play by their own rules - unpredictable. Because they can. As the final arbiter of what is or is not constitutional.
And should the store make a mistake, they can be sued. But in civil court, not criminal court.
Or the parents have assessed that their kids are ready for it. As long as it's the parents' decision, then it's their responsibility, not the store's or the government's. |
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Sewingrose
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Err... I'm sort of confused by your comment. I go in expecting to agree with it, and then somewhere along, I'm just left with a whole confusion of what and annoyance. I agree that it is a parent's responsibility, not the stores, to monitor what their children are buying or doing appropriately. Fun fact: A) Appropriately differs from family to family. Fun Fact B) Some parents trust their children with knowing what's appropriate to them. I personally don't buy the video games cause violence spiel, and maybe that family doesn't either. I was allowed to watch movies like Princess Mononoke at age 6, which has actual be-headings, and I know for a fact had I had any interest in video games, they would have purchased me one, violent bloodbath or otherwise. (Though probably not Grand Theft Auto, if the misogyny claims are in fact valid.) So theres the "saintly immune to violent influences" that bugs me. Now how does buying her children a (what I assume to be) violent video game, make her lazy or better yet "side-step the responsibility of actually being a parent just to keep the kids out of her hair", for all you know she does know it's rating or knows the type of genre and *le gasp* trusts her children with picking out their own entertainment. Her responsibilities as a parent involve caring for her kids and letting them grow up to be decent human beings. How does the situation above not do that, or how do you know that it doesn't? It involves a whole lot of speculation on your part, you don't know anything in particular about this instance, and it comes off as you're condemning someone's parenting that might be different then you're own. Which... is kinda not cool. This might just be the phrasing, but something about you're comment is really annoying me. Also: " just to keep the kids out of her hair", or you know the fact that it's summer vacation, she's probably working, and buying her children something to amuse themselves during the tedium. Which means she might be more responsible, knowing how easily boredom can lead to stupid and dangerous. |
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teferi
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I've watched Princess Mononoke at least thirty times and barely remember the violent scenes. They aren't particularly graphic or detailed. I don't really buy the whole violence spiel either; but kids do have problems with violent/disturbing images. You seem bent on pushing some sort agenda by alleging that kids can be trusted to deal with these types of materials, but honestly, a lot of them can't. Taking risks like that really isn't responsible parenting, and trying to say otherwise is ridiculous. There just isn't enough of a benefit to allowing kids that sort of freedom so early in life when you have really no idea as to what the consequences are. |
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egoist
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Lazy parents time to use that dead brain or move to Britain or Australia.
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mdo7
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I've heard about this from other video game sites like Kotaku, Gamepolitics, IGN and I'm happy to hear this. Video game is no different from other medium when it comes to story, violence, and sexual content. I don't see why people that claim "Think of the children" might want video game not protected under 1st amendment. Those idiots are no different from dictators when they claim video game should not be protected under the 1st amendment.
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victor viper
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For each individual, there is a point where if one's brain develops correctly, one can be trusted to make such a minor decisions (what video games to play certainly is such a thing). And frankly, given the choice between parents making this decision on behalf of their children (some of whom will no doubt choose badly) and some dimwitted government official making the decision for everyone, I'll take the former any day. The ability to make bad choices is the lifeblood of a free society. |
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Sewingrose
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I'd argue that a lot more of them can then you give them credit for, but that's more something broad. Let's try specific: Different kids tolerate things on different levels, and unless you are their parent you don't know what they can and can't tolerate. And to many it's not a risk if you trust your child's tolerance to any given material. Benefit of violent video games? (Do video games have a benefit outside time-wasting in a gloriously fun way?) How about the potential to be exposed to a story that uses violent elments but is worth playing? Now for consequences, there has not been any real sign linking violent video games to violence in real life, and I'd argue that it might be the opposite, since it allows people to release violent emotions harmlessly. Many kids can tell when something is to brutal for them, and I've seen an amazing phenomenon, they turn off the T.V./whatever electronic device. Besides: They aren't your kids, let the parents raise them as they want. I deem responsible parenting to be raising your kids to be decent human beings, caring for them, and helping them get a better chance for their future. I don't care if they play violent video games, I don't care if they play video games at all. |
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Surrender Artist
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I knew a fellow in junior high school who used to play pretty violent games from a fairly young age. I think he sells annuities now.
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