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Yuki_Kun45
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I've seen that too, I'm not sure if it still occurs or not or if it's just case-by-case where the primary staff will be listed but remaining staff (animators if any, supporting companies etc) would be cut off in favor of the localization staff. I feel like this isn't as common as once was it seems more effort is made to play all the credits entirely. I recall the instance of ADV doing this on AIR by looping the ED to continue on with their staff after going through the Japanese. I imagine some others may not care for the English credits because translations can be hit or miss. |
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Shiroi Hane
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Quoting is a pain on a tablet so I'm just going to comment/reply generally.
The latter discs that used this system coincided with constant online complaints about picture quality, which died down after they stopped doing it (around Ouran IIRC). Oddly, there were never really any complaints about earlier examples like Kiddy Grade although, as mentioned, other than FruBa those shows tended to have only a few episodes per disc. I did have one theory at the time mind, that their encoder got stuck on the Fruits Basket settings.... I've just finished watching Blade Dance and it is just as well that Sentai have left the Japanese credits intact since the translated credits included the same handful of cast for every episode - including one who only appeared in a couple at the start. It was a similar story for From The New World, made more apparent by preceding that handful of names with a detailed list of every English bit part VA. FUNimation replacing the credits makes it harder to tell what they have left out, and makes error checking very difficult (although it is better these days with subtitles streams having the original credits - a few years ago the only way to access the Japanese credits without resorting to fansubs was to import the discs, which isn't really viable) |
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BigOnAnime
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http://i.imgur.com/d03zLXn.png -FUNimation opted to just re-use Geneon's credit-rolls. This is how just about everyone back in the day did credits, they just plastered a huge credit-roll on the ED (here's another example). If you've watched enough ED's with the Japanese text intact, you'd notice they tend to not roll like that. Plus the JP credits are designed to display only JP staff (as the shows are meant originally for a Japanese audience first and foremost), not English and Japanese, so that's more text that has to be rolled. http://i.imgur.com/G7PbKeG.png -This affects the ED on every episode of both seasons including the epilogues, one of which you're seeing. They never fixed this as FUNi would sooner jump off a cliff than make new discs. You don't always get creditless materials, sometimes because they don't exist, or because the licensor didn't provide them. Look at what FUNi did at one time when they didn't get creditless materials for whatever reason (Birdy as I showed earlier was one of them, and one of the worst offenders). http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/showthread.php?8564-Sekirei-&p=70260&viewfull=1#post70260 They stopped later on due to very negative feedback, thankfully, and do the translated-credits black screen credit roll method when this happens. In regards to Trigun, Geneon slapped the credits on the only creditless materials Victor Entertainment provided them, so you ended up getting only version 1 of opening 1 every time, FUNi repeated Geneon's mistake on their 2010 release by re-using that OP on every episode, though they fixed things on the Anime Classics release. Another problem is back in the singles era, when companies tried to put translated-credits, it could really hurt the video quality, like so (actual episodes on the Geneon singles looked like this). Some other issues are how the Japanese credits can have specific fonts, many times very specific to the opening and endings and being part of the actual animation itself, and the English-translated credits won't make attempts to replicate that. And one of the worst issues is when you have JP staff missing. Like FUNimation for instance is known for many times replacing JP staff credits with their own because apparently the English staff is far more important than the people that poured their blood and sweat into making the actual show. I heard with say Evangelion 2.22, much of the JP staff went uncredited in FUNi's roll. If one does know Japanese (there is a minority that know Japanese and still buy some R1 releases), you can still see the full JP credits. The correct method for credits I feel is the Sentai method (black screen with the translated-credits later) and the Rightstuf (who will play the ED music (with no subtitles) and even have an image) and Media Blasters (they'll play the credits on a black screen with music) method (roll the credits after each disc). |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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I'm actually not a big fan of those releases where the credits are all in Japanese and it annoys me a bit that its pretty much become the industry standard. Especially the Sentai approach of putting this ugly generic text scroll and the end of each and every episode.
It bothers me less with Blu-Ray than DVD (The low picture quality of the DVD combined with the Japanese text intact looks really tacky) but I wish more people still put in English credits. At the very least some end credits so I know who plays the characters. Weirdly, it doesn't seem like NISA have decided what approach they should take. Toradora is in Japanese, NagiAsu has English text and Love Live has Japanese text with a plain English text scroll at the end of each disc crediting the staff, the seiyuu and the dub VAs. Though in response to what someone else said, I do get how watching it in Japanese with the English VAs being credited can be weird. I saw Attack on Titan subtitled on TV once and it was weird seeing Bryce Papenbrook credited at the end of every episode. |
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Zalis116
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Though with Trigun, Geneon did use the unique openings for the 2005-07 LE and "Remix" re-releases. Which made it all the more frustrating that Funi "backslid" to the status of Geneon/Pioneer's original 2000-01 8-disc singles release, though it sounds like they finally rectified things in 2013 with the AC release. Last edited by Zalis116 on Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:05 am; edited 1 time in total |
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c933103
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TsukasaElkKite
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I love what RightStuf/Nozomi did with His and Her Circumstances back when it was first released, where the language you chose dictated the credits, ending previews, and titles (choose the dub? The show titles, episode previews, and credits are in English. Choose the sub? They're all in Japanese).
I'm glad Viz is using all the OP variants for Sailor Moon as new cast members join the team, instead of just using the third variant like Geneon/Pioneer did way back in the day when S and SuperS were first released. |
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AnimeLordLuis
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Having multi-angle credits might have been cool back in the day with the sacrifice to video quality, nowadays there's really no need for them especially since fans who want to see the original Japanese ending can just look it up on You-Tube.
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K.o.R
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Since people like the "non-scrolling" credits, why don't companies use subtitles to achieve the same effect? I know this would look laughably awful on DVD-resolution stuff (hi, You're Under Arrest!) but surely BD subtitle formats could do it?
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BigOnAnime
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https://youtu.be/iug12DnMNHQ?t=43s https://youtu.be/PmE0bJTdCCQ?t=6s http://i.imgur.com/8hI5HrC.png http://i.imgur.com/63joXuV.png Hell, they even did this on the Evangelion 3.33 release which was a complete disaster when it comes to credits (you have to hope the ANN encyclopedia is accurate on this one, 99.9% of the JP staff isn't credited properly for English speakers), and it still looked awful. http://i.imgur.com/4xuukZD.jpg http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=11784694#post11784694 Why they did that when they later did a black screen credit-roll with only the English staff, IDK. If only they rolled translated credits later, this is NOT how you do credits FUNimation. You did not create Evangelion 3.33, you simply helped translate it, put it out on BD/DVD, and gave it an English dub, a far cry from creating the thing from scratch, so you need to properly credit the JP staff. |
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Shiroi Hane
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You can see the affect of feedback by watching Vampire Miyu TV; I think they ended up eventually leaving the credits alone and doing a separate English scroll, but for at least the first disc they slapped boxes on top and they clearly didn't have clean credits since the action just paused in places where the Kanji credits were about to appear. |
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K.o.R
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I meant on clean footage; of course it's going to look awful if you do it that way. |
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Just Passing Through
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Animeigo did that on the Ah My Goddess DVDs, English credits created through subtitles overlaid on a textless OP and ED. [Edit]: removed unnecessary nested quotes. Please read the quoting guidelines. Errinundra. |
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Alex Clark
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I've never understood why some anime fans are bothered by translated credits. It seems to me that the entire purpose of credits is to be read and understood by the audience, if the credits are in a language that the audience can't read, then they aren't fulfilling their purpose. It's like objecting to translating a book.
However, I am bugged by american anime companies changing the show logos for a few reasons. Often times an anime's logo is incorporated into the opening sequence in a way that is more integrated with the animation of the opening than plain old credits, to the point where adding in an american logo constitutes altering the opening too much for my taste. Plus, the american logos almost always look terrible and poorly integrated, like when anime companies used to do overlays to change Japanese text into English. And changing the title of the show or movie just bugs me in general. Like ALL the old Dragonball Z movies had drastically different titles in America than in Japan; marketing is understandable, but when I'm watching the japanese version I'd like to see the japanese title, not the english title in an ugly overlay pasted over the original footage. Episode titles are a problem too with some Funimation shows, like Dragonball again. I get that they change the episode titles for TV airings, but if I'm watching the uncut DVD or Blu-ray I'd like to have the original Japanese episode titles and title screens. |
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dragonrider_cody
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This could be due to them only getting clean openings or closings to some titles. Sentai has had a few release where they were only given a credit-less opening, Taisho Baseball Girls being one example. This isn't as common as only receiving Japanese credits, but it does occasionally happen. |
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