Forum - View topicINTEREST: Eiichiro Oda and Nobuhiro Watasuki Interview Included in Rurouni Kenshin Exhibition Catalo
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Halko
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My post i made earlier was mostly written from the views of the author and publisher. That is how they feel about the situation and why they are acting the way they are about it. The general public doesnt have to agree but the fact stands that this is how they are going to handle the situation based on their perspective.
Personally my own stance on the whole subject is in the middle ground. Im not happy he's supported the actual abuse of children but i never cared about his work and am not part of their society so i couldnt care a great deal about it in the long run. I have more interest in dealing with my own problems and the problems of my society than trying to judge and mandate for others. We are not the world police and it isnt our responsibility to handle everyones problems. If this is how they want to handle it good for them. Keep that shit over there and away from us. I have the same views on much of the rest of the planet and its garbage. Except maybe literal garbage like the dumping of wastes into the ocean or global warming. That does hurt everyone. |
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Kirki
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Agreed. Also... water under the bridge???? Paying 1,900 USD for possession and distribution of child pornography makes it all go away??? Stop supporting pedophiles. SJ should also stop recruiting Oda to support them in order to clear their names. Crimes like that should not be forgotten of thrown under a rug like nothing ever happened. He has not served any kind of sentence (I would pay more for a fine about illegal parking), and he has shown no signs of repetance. It should be mentioned every time his name is mentioned because it's not a thing of the "past", and people should know who they are dealing with. |
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El Hermano
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What makes you think any voices are being silenced in Japan? According to this article the current Kenshin manga continues to sell extremely well in Japan and the movies also perform well and are continuing to get made. The voices that have spoken out seems to have said they forgive him, or that they didn't care about it in the first place. Most fans generally ignore scandals and controversies. The only reason anyone is ever "cancelled" is because someone with authority or power makes the personal decision to do so: usually a company or platform dropping a creator or actor. Which is what Viz did in this case. They cancelled the American release based on their own personal decision rather than fans suddenly not reading or buying the series and thus making it unprofitable. |
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Emanisbetter
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You people who feel I care about a manga more than the real world are really depressing... most of you have probably never even been to japan an experienced first hand the issues that go on in japan. Most of you make the assumption as tho watsuki hasn't changed. How would you know? This occurred in his private life an we didn't know he was into that stuff. So the correction in his life needs to occur in his private life. He owes none of us any information on how he's improving it publicly. He did apologize for it. Now all we can do is hope he is making the changes within his life to better himself. People think they are owed something when really you arent. I stressed multiple times his issue is serious but rather demonize him an give into hate an disdain I rather give into hope. But none of that is important. Stop talking bout something that has been settled in his home country. If it comes up again talk about it again. But continuing to use it as a means to denigrate someone is hateful. Nobody is silenced in japan. People who've never been to japan are making all these assumptions about japanese people an their stances get on my nerves. I will continue to buy watch an enjoy the series no matter the decision. Had no issue with viz wanting to cancel the distribution of the series however to sweep it under the rug an not notify the kenshin fanbase of their decision to not distribute it anymore is what I'll never forgive so I dont purchase from anything published by viz anymore. Do i denigrate viz everytime i post about manga or talk about it no. There is no need. The matter with watsuki is settled an done with. Just cause your upset with the punishment doesnt mean anything. I'm upset with the punishment of police officers an the zimerman cause everytime a new one pops up. But guess what I move on. I could walk around with that hate an choose to express it negatively towards certain groups but at the end of the day all that's gonna bring is more pain for others.
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Who did he hurt? He had the CP from back when it was legal, which is still disgusting |
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strawberry-kun
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The amount of people defending real life child porn in this thread is disgusting. Watsuki is a scumbag. He should be a pariah, but companies only care about money. I used to like Kenshin, but I can’t separate the art and the artist on this one. Screw him.
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BadNewsBlues
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Yeah I think it's presumptuous to argue that no one in japan is silenced especially people who are the victims of things like sexual harassment, discrimination of all forms, or certain crimes. If it's a problem that happens in one place it's easily something that'll happen in another.
.....You won't forgive them for not telling people why they canceled the release of a series they intended to distribute which they did because the series in question was written by a guy who was arrested for being in possession of child porn?.......which most fans of this series already knew about because the internet is a thing? Like they could have told people why they did it yes, but it's not mandatory for them to do so. |
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Kirki
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I think some people really do not comprehend the size of damage to society people like Watsuki are causing. Not even in the slightest.
The possesion and distribution of child pornography is not something that should be shrugged off. If I had a child I wouldn't like it to be anywhere near him. He is a potential danger, and this is why his criminal record should be mentioned. And people like that have no business being under any public spotlight in the first place. Authors are supposed to be influential figures. It's not about "hate". It's about protecting the already existing victims and potential future ones. Our reaction shouldn't be "oh poor guy come on he didn't do anything". Could you look in the eyes of the children that "starred" in the videos he was watching and tell them that? That the creator of a popular franchise paid for a video in which you are raped but it's all okay, he paid an additional 1,900 and now he's in the clear he's even giving public interviews! So no problem. Everyone can pay and watch them without any serious consequences. If you can do that, you are a psycopath, and if you can't, then you should be able to understand why this kind of people shouldn't let go off of that easily. Just shut up, stay home, see a therapist, and feed of off Kenshin's royalties. And disappear from the public eye. It does not need you. |
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scriver058
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You just knew this would turn into a referendum on Watsuki and the Japanese legal system. Seems to me that for some of you, short of having proof that Watsuki was castrated in one way or another, that nothing would make it okay that he's allowed to continue to exist, so asking for him to express remorse or whatever is pretty much pointless. It's also entirely possible he's getting continued help but keeping those details to himself, as is his right. Listen, it's totally your right to not want anything to do with the man or supporting him in any way, and to voice your opinions of the man vociferously and in doing so, you are doing a public service. But he paid his debt to Japanese society and is allowed to continue his life and career.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Things you don't get to do in this thread:
1. Compare consenting adults to sexually victimizing children 2. Pretend that child sexual abuse images don't have victims 3. Pretend that the continued sharing and/or collecting of such images does not harm said victims. If your post is gone consider whether you did 1-3 or might have quoted someone who did 1-3. |
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ZetMoon80
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When exactly did he apologize for what he did? The closest thing to an apology that I've read was a statement by Shueisha just after all this happened. I've never read or listen an apology directly from him. And yikes, it's really disgusting how a lot of guys here defend Watsuki pretending that what he did is not the big deal, like pretending CP possession is not harmful in any way, when due to people like Watsuki who consume this kind of material is direct responsible of the production of it, since the "business" needs demand to keep going. As I said before, sadly, Japan laws considered that his punishment was enough for the possession, so since it's unlikely that the guy will stop working and take some time to receive help soon, I'd like to read some words regarding the issue, just to know if there's some sign that he is really regretful about it. Again, I don't think that this would be enough, but at least it would be helpful to know that he is not that shitty person to forget it. |
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Kisuke525
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I don't mean to cause any trouble by asking this, but how do you know he's not already getting help? The fact that he's working again and Oda at the very least is willing to give him a second chance I'd say it's more likely that he is getting help. If he is I highly doubt it will ever be mentioned to the public though because things like that are usually kept private in Japan. What Watsuki did was disgusting and imo his punishment was far to light, but that is what was decided on in Japan. Even though what he did was horrible he deserves a second chance and the opportunity to get help. If he had assaulted a child I wouldn't be saying this, but he didn't so I think he deserves a second chance, hell far worse people do so why not him? A person should always get a second chance unless the crime they commit was an act of pure evil. |
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Megiddo
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The only "Interest" prompting this article seems to be fueling already worn down discussion.
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ZetMoon80
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Well, he's still working, and as far as I know, being a manga artist is a very busy work. Ok, he publishes on a monthly basis and his wife helps him, so perhaps it's not impossible that he's getting help already, but I doubt it, I mean, if he's really seeking help he would have disappeared from the public eye for a long time, at least 2 years or so. I'm not a psychologist, therapist or any expert and I'm not trying to antagonize the guy just because I hate him nor I want him dead or even out of the manga industry forever, but c'mon, he came back like 7-8 months after being caught, really, the guy was caught with tons of CP DVDs, he paid a fine and suddenly he's recovered, he's not a pedo anymore. Seriously?...I suppose it's easier to think that our culture is vastly different to theirs and we are simply overreacting, but I can't think a reasonable way to accept that someone like him would be simply forgiven and keep working just like that. Are Japanese people really that lenient about CP issues? |
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Kisuke525
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Ok so you're just assuming then. I thought maybe you had something to back it up that I might have missed like an interview or something. I don't think working would stop him from getting help at all. The help that he would be getting would be a once or twice a week type of thing that would only last a few hours. Even if he was a weekly author that would still be doable because even weekly authors have more free time than that. And remember this is Japan the work ethic there is completely different the amount of time he stopped for makes perfect sense to me and Shueisha probably wanted him back as fast as possible so that the sales wouldn't drop "as scummy as that sounds it's probably somewhat true" and so that the empty spot wouldn't remain empty or get filled by something that sold less. The original series was a MASSIVE hit and while the sequel sells nowhere near as well "obviously" it was still selling really well when it started especially for series that run in Jump SQ and as far as I remember they have not changed much since his return. I don't think anyone think's that he's completely recovered "I don't at least" but I honestly believe that he is getting help in some form at least. Hopefully it's professional help but even some kind of help from family and friends is something. That's why people shouldn't be attacking people like Oda who are still willing to stand beside him in some way. I mean damn the dude is Oda's mentor and friend who he's known for over 20 years and some people are saying Oda might be a pedophile just because he's willing to give him a second chance. Watsuki needs help and a second chance. Denying him that help isn't good for him or the people around him and could lead to him never recovering or possibly even doing something worse. As for the Japanese being more lenient about CP issues, yes they are. You gotta remember CP only became illegal in Japan about 5 years ago, compared to say the USA which if I remember correctly completely banned it back in the 1980s, so many people are probably less willing to crucify him for it. And "believe me on this or don't" I asked my Japanese friend about him coming back when he did and he said that he thought that many people would be angrier if he didn't because then he wouldn't be contributing to society, so that might explain why he came back when he did. |
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