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ThrowMeOut
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Nekopara's like porn: No one cares about the plot. It's up front about what it is and if you like that stuff welcome, and if not, ya leave.
It was definitely not for me. I prefer stories where the female characters are a bit more, eh, self-sufficient. It's why I liked Interspecies Reviewers. No woman in that show was naive. |
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KitKat1721
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I appreciate the bluntness of this review, it honestly made me laugh. I mean, you really don't have to watch much of this show or read too deep into its origins to know what it is. Doesn't mean you can't still enjoy it.
Also, I feel like anyone who still thinks ANN is a hive mind of the exact same opinions and tastes only really focus on the more controversial (ie: negative) reviews that gain extra traction outside the site. There have definitely positive-leaning reviews of fanservice-heavy anime. |
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ninjamitsuki
Posts: 633 Location: Anywhere (Thanks, technology) |
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Don't see any reason (for me at least) to watch this when Uchitama exists and has catboys and dogboys in addition to the catgirls, and is much more wholesome to boot.
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
ANN Reviewer
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If you want to see what happens when even a fan thinks seriously about Nekopara, this article about the economic oppression of catgirls is hilarious. https://www.animefeminist.com/the-workers-nekopara-a-call-to-arms-against-nekonomic-exploitation/
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Key
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I don't think this is an age thing - at least mostly, anyway. Even long before I starting writing anime reviews, I noticed that a large number of people of all ages - maybe even the majority - tend to evaluate media content and games exclusively on entertainment value; for them, "quality" and "entertaining" are synonymous terms. The streamers and social media influencers you mention are either part of that crowd themselves or else specifically playing to that crowd because they've figured that out. This is not a new thing, either; some of Shakespeare's plays had fight scenes in them specifically to appeal to masses who wanted simpler entertainment, for instance. By comparison, ANN has always favored more analytical, qualitatively-based reviewing, especially since the beginning of Zac's tenure. (This is, IMO, the biggest and most pervasive influence he had on ANN.) It's a similar style of reviewing to what critics like Siskel & Ebert did with movies back in the day, and the same kind of people who sharply disagreed with critics like them back then are the ones who dislike our reviews now. It's not necessarily better or worse than the "entertainment is all that matters" view; it just emphasizes different factors. |
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Hatless
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It’s a bit of a stretch to call this pornless porn “sexually liberated”. |
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7jaws7
Posts: 705 Location: New York State |
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That's because we're all used to fetish anime by now. Even the most progressive politicians would unite with conservatives to ban fanservice anime and porn games like Nekopara for being "unhealthy" if given the opportunity. |
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Sailor Sedna
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I didn't check out much of this franchise. I thought the OVA was adorable from what I saw of it, but I looked at what the games were like, and...I'm sorry, but they didn't appeal to me as they're just...creepy, lolicon fetish games. And some of the jokes the anime has based on what I'm reading......pass, I'd rather carry a hairball in my mouth for an hour.
Somehow for some reason, the latter rose up to #1 or #2 of the most popular anime listings on MyAnimeList. I say tch, you expect me to believe it's better than Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, Spirited Away, Kiki's Delivery Service, Princess Mononoke and the Studio Ghibli classics that survived nearly 4 decades, and other popular, great stuff like Sailor Moon, Kimagure Orange Road, Bubblegum Crisis, Tenchi Muyo, Ah My Goddess, or some other recent stuff ANN liked like Harukana Receive or Ascendance of a Bookworm? Last edited by Sailor Sedna on Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:27 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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zrnzle500
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^To be fair, MAL introduced some measures to combat the sort of bandwagoning where online personalities urged their followers to register for the site and give a show - for example Interspecies Reviewers - the maximum rating (along with measures to counteract the efforts of bad actors to manipulate the scores of some shows), and Interspecies Reviewers is very much not in that position anymore - as of this writing, it stands at 7.7 and is ranked #1037. But how people think about IR is not really that pertinent to the subject, so I’ll leave it at that.
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Juno016
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I like to see myself as an anti-capitalist, anti-racist leftist open to anarchistic ideas, opposed to the rich elites, and a purveyor of social justice, but NekoPara is the ultimate test of my political and allegiance and unfortunately, the world of nekos has long bought my soul. Goodbye, comrades. I realize now that I am voluntarily complacent in the perpetuation of an oppressive, modern caste system. ...I just wanna be a neko dedicated to my very own goshujinsama. What's so wrong with that? D: |
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Kougeru
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I really don't get the hate for this show. On a scale, it was hardly sexual and just overly cute...except for one character. The girl that liked to shout "moist" all the time. Got a good laugh at the comment comparing reviews on this site to a legend like Ebert. Aside from her this show was freakin adorable and fun. Also the animation was a lot better than It probably deserved to be lol. I really just don't get it. I'm extremely leftist and besides ONE CHARACTER I don't see how anything else in this is considered "ecchi". The anime as a stand-alone is not ecchi. It was a story about family, if anything. The cat "sisters" loving each other. the writer clearly came in here with a bias based on prior knowledge of the franchise and that's obviously influenced the review.
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harminia
Posts: 2043 Location: australia |
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In the review the writer mentions elements that were ecchi, such as the camera positioning on crotches, or a character kneading another's boobs enough to cause an orgasm. That all sounds pretty ecchi to me, even without knowing it's based on a porn game. It can be a "story about family" while still being an ecchi show. For my part I didn't watch the show (not my type of thing) but I did look at bits and pieces and I have to say... Cacao is adorable. She seemed to be treated a lot better than in other fanservice shows; I expected there to be some creepy scenes of her but what (little) I saw was very respectful. I really liked when she was hiding under the box. Also, the episode where they tried to tell... Scary stories? I think? Was amusing at times. |
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Good lord, I managed to block out how detailed her vulva was drawn! We know she has underwear on because it hangs out the top of her shorts! Isn't part of the purpose of underwear to prevent things like that from happening? |
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AholePony
Posts: 330 Location: Arizona |
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Interesting discussion in here, I appreciate seeing a few well thought out viewpoints. I don't know how this site works or how contributors pick their topics but personally I feel like the purveyors of modern "review" culture should consider the actual value in a review like this.
I guess it can be interesting to read the views of someone that clearly dislikes the genre of the thing they're reviewing, but at the same time what does it really accomplish? I generally dislike long running shounen series, I wouldn't want to read my own review of One Piece. Roger Ebert was historically quite harsh on games, I don't think I'd enjoy reading his review of Doom II. I guess that last point is the crux of the issue for me. You couldn't expect Ebert to grasp the things that make Doom or Halo a classic like pace, level design, or technical innovation, and I can't really expect someone that dislikes ecchi anime to give a worthwhile review, because they tend to just not "get" it. Yeah you might see yourself as an intellectual and say "oh not me, I get why boys like boobs" but you're actually missing all the nuance that the people that do "get" it see. It's all quite presumptuous in my opinion. I don't "get" why people love Naruto and fairy tale and one piece. I can say "oh they just like constant mindless action" but I'm not so prideful to claim I "get" shounen, because I clearly don't. I'm quite sure there's a lot more to it, it's just not for me and that's ok. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is the reviewers tend to get defensive over this topic when people say "this article sucks, you always hate this genre", and it's completely understandable why, but I feel there's a little truth in the criticism from readers insofar as a reviewer without a full love or grasp of a specific topic isn't really providing a very useful product in my estimation. It's like having an expert and fan of Renaissance paintings review modern surrealist works right after they told you "I hate modern surrealist art". *PS I mean no disrespect to this review as far as it's technical merits go, it is very well written and the arguments well made. I just feel like ANN and the rest of the world in general would prevent a lot of headaches if they stopped trying to review a catgurl anime weighed against Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju or Evangelion or whatever, and weighed it against the history of its own genre like DxD or Eiken (lol) or some such. Seems more fair and useful that way. At least to me. Ebert used to review kids movies against kids movies, not Citizen Kane. |
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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I elected to review Nekopara because no one else was picking it up, and I needed money. Generally I try to direct my energy toward series that I'm not guaranteed to dislike, but hey I'm temporarily laid off from work and am going to take whatever work I can get. Going into this review, I thought a lot about how to make it useful for both people who would enjoy a show like this without completely quashing my own opinions, and also making it useful for people who are genuinely curious. So, instead of trashing on it like I might in other contexts, and did thoroughly on social media, I did my best to address both potential audiences. Based on a lot of the comments in this thread, I believe I was successful. Not everyone curious about Nekopara is going to be aware of what it is. Some people may see it and think it's like Di Gi Charat or Uchitama. Not everyone reads reviews to see if their own opinions are reflected back at them; there are quite a few who read them to see if a work will appeal to them. That's the value here. I'm hoping that most people who read this review will get a firm understanding of where they fall. PS, I get why boys like boobs because I, too, am a boob-liker. Women who are attracted to women exist, and I am one of them. |
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