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EP. REVIEW: Skeleton Knight in Another World


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Cryten



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:43 pm Reply with quote
Gotcha, thanks for the confirm. At least that takes the conflict away as I can comfortably put it in the will not watch list. I will think of this as more of a dark world like berserk experience with just a goofy lead and happily move on. I actually tried looking up the series on youtube to see what it like and couldnt get 2 seconds into anything without it trying to show that scene and noping out.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:16 pm Reply with quote
Not a novel take, obviously, but not sure I'll be continuing with this one (and feel a bit sorry for the reviewer!). Most of the show's just thoroughly mediocre -- not quite as intensely bland and poorly executed as most isekai, but far from something like Re;Zero or even Mushoku Tensei (which has some similar problems with poorly handling similarly explicit content, but is outside of that an artistic tour de force). Certainly not good enough to want to suffer through several scenes like the show's opening.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:27 pm Reply with quote
Skipping through the main talking point of the thread because I have nothing of substance to add. Instead I'm going to respond to one of the first posters. Arc is spoiler[actually cursed. That's the mechanical in-world way his premium skeleton skin he purchased works. He actually says he's cursed as an excuse but it turns out he's accidentally correct. His actual race is Dark Elf. When the curse is temporarily purged he's described as being a muscular hunk of a Dark Elf.]
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:28 pm Reply with quote
This was, imo, far and away the best episode yet. A stronger personality for Arc to bounce off of, better tonal management and actual forward narrative momentum all help a lot. I still have things I'm not crazy about, but I'm actually looking forward to the series as opposed to expecting the trash fire.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:28 pm Reply with quote
So far Ariane is pretty awesome female lead. Beautiful, extremely capable, with a bit of a cute side (when she sees Ponta), voiced by Ai Fairouz...what's not to love? I think she'll make a great partner for Arc, though I'm not sure if it'll develop into something more.

Who would have thought Arc's casual heroics would get in the way of a political plot? And now he's taken out one of the orchestrators' son.

You'd think Arc would have stepped in the moment a little girl got stabbed and maybe even before Ariane had a knife up her skirt, but I guess that dramatic armor lariat was a satisfying enough dramatic entrance.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:46 pm Reply with quote
Not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but do we know if Arc is in his game's world or is it just a random fantasy world? He hasn't said it is from what I recall, but just curious if that's something the audience knows
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:40 pm Reply with quote
Covnam wrote:
Not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but do we know if Arc is in his game's world or is it just a random fantasy world? He hasn't said it is from what I recall, but just curious if that's something the audience knows


I think it works like his old game world, because he has the game's names for attacks and magic; but he seemed confused, because he could use skills from other character types besides a knight. I got the impression that it was like everything was jammed together in his character. My feeling is it is similar, at least.
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So Arc just basically reenacted the final scene of Rogue One on those unarmed bandits. He clearly has zero qualms about killing “bad” people (which has some potentially troubling implications).


They are slavers. The women and girls are going to be raped for the rest of their lives, if they live. These people have no problem killing little girls. There is no moral quandary here.
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TarsTarkas wrote:
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So Arc just basically reenacted the final scene of Rogue One on those unarmed bandits. He clearly has zero qualms about killing “bad” people (which has some potentially troubling implications).


They are slavers. The women and girls are going to be raped for the rest of their lives, if they live. These people have no problem killing little girls. There is no moral quandary here.


Did he know that though? He called them bandits and didn't even put 2 and 2 together about the cages until after hearing about the missing elves.
It tells something about someone if they refuse to kill, will only kill in self defense or when necessary (like in the first episode) or if they have no problem killing people who are unarmed and unable to offer resistance.
Presumably Arc could have taken them in alive some way and still completed the quest. But he didn't. You usually wouldn't in a game, so it can be that he still sees this from a game perspective, which also would be telling.
Whether or not it's justified to the reader what happened because we know how horrible those people were, Arc didn't at that should at the very least be some food for thought.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:39 am Reply with quote
Covnam wrote:
It tells something about someone if they refuse to kill, will only kill in self defense or when necessary (like in the first episode) or if they have no problem killing people who are unarmed and unable to offer resistance.
Presumably Arc could have taken them in alive some way and still completed the quest. But he didn't. You usually wouldn't in a game, so it can be that he still sees this from a game perspective, which also would be telling.

Absolutely, Arc has an issue still conflating the 'real' world with the game world he was playing. It gets somewhat better later. But there's a reason he may seem cold outwards,
spoiler[the curse causing his skeleton form suppresses his emotions, and on a sidenote whenever he lifts the curse(temporarily) it all comes back all at once, once even caused him to collapse for a time.]

Though even so, Arc is still relatively tame as far as protagonists go, there was one manga recently that made me drop it(rarely drop something I read midway) when it went a tad too extreme for my tastes, Lion Coeur Senki (manga, licensed by j-novel)(some events in chapter 14(j-novel has so far published up to chapter 4));

spoiler[MC(reincarnated Japanese salaryman) and Co are preparing to wage a battle, and to heighten odds and lower enemy morale, he proposes a terror campaign behind enemy lines. Others are against it because it's not an honorable thing to do, but he manages to persuade them. We see him enter a lone house(farmer's), kill a man who just woke to the commotion, then he kills his wife who also just woke up. A child enters, sees her dead parents, and starts crying. A few rationalizing thoughts later, mc cuts her down too.
That was the start of the campaign. In the description text, it specifically states, to paraphrase, "Without hesitation, we killed all the women and children". Alongside a few panels illustrating it.]


If THAT ever gets an adaptation, wonder what the reaction will be. It does have some acclaim in Japan(why?) so it's not even out of the realm of possibility...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:25 pm Reply with quote
@Covnam

I agree with what Blanchimont said about the curse. It probably does have an impact.

But, Arc is not living in our law abiding modern world. In the very first episode Arc saw full well what bandits do to women and children. There are no police boxes nearby. No one is going to save you if your own guards are killed off. Bandits in the woods are a law unto themselves. Arc is not walking from the city, he is traveling long distances using his magic. Anyway, the bandits are operating in elven territory, where the only good bandit/slaver is a dead one.

On a practical note, Arc is one person. What is he going to do with a bunch of bandits in the woods, far from the city? If you are not going to kill them, then you got to let them go. Unless you want them to be feed for monsters and animals, or perhaps a slow death of starvation. A fitting end for those that prey on others.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:04 pm Reply with quote
Some shows / novels would have him take them to authorities as a side note, some would have him threaten them with death next time if he comes across them again in this area. Or an oft communal punishment of letting them go defenceless or hands bound back into the wilderness alone or running them off.

However if I am reading the show correctly based on reviews and comments the world writing wants to depict all bandits and outlaws as utter scum. People who would betray any notions of humanity or pride for a brief moment of gratification. IE the show itself would argue they are cannon fodder only suitable to show how bad they are via some torture porn before dieing.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:01 pm Reply with quote
I'm guessing that the ninja is also from another world, since she doesn't seem to expect anyone in the new world to know the word "ninja". But I suppose there are some other possible explanations
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:03 pm Reply with quote
Cryten wrote:
Some shows / novels would have him take them to authorities as a side note, some would have him threaten them with death next time if he comes across them again in this area. Or an oft communal punishment of letting them go defenceless or hands bound back into the wilderness alone or running them off.

However if I am reading the show correctly based on reviews and comments the world writing wants to depict all bandits and outlaws as utter scum. People who would betray any notions of humanity or pride for a brief moment of gratification. IE the show itself would argue they are cannon fodder only suitable to show how bad they are via some torture porn before dieing.

Yours is a modern take. In real middle ages, the common punishment for bandits, highwaymen, ie those attacking travelers, was execution, usually by hanging. England even had a bounty on them, which amounted to same as a wolf's bounty. So compared to those 'some' shows you mentioned, this is actually a more realistic take on the whole...

Also, your mention of torture deserves a note. During middle ages, when it came to captured outlaws, interrogation by torture was the default, not the exception.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:53 pm Reply with quote
Also, does anyone really see the Elves, wasting time and resources on a bunch of enslaving human bandits. Bandits that are kidnapping Elven children and Elven women to rape them and sell them into sexual slavery and breeding. The bandits are going to be killed, the Elves don't care about their unfortunate backstories. Their vile crimes against women and children and the far reaching damage to their victims (at least the ones that survived) far exceed any concept of mercy for the bandits.

The actual real crimes by Boko Haram against hundreds of real girls and real women are the stuff of nightmares. The real atrocities committed make anything in Skeleton Knight seem tame by comparison, if only because Skeleton Knight doesn't go into detail.
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