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Pirate Man
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It's the same with buying stolen goods and drugs, it creates supply and demand, basics of business, child pornography is a business as much as porn industry in a sense and the more people want/download it the more children will get harm in the production of more pedophilia to feed their hunger because of that they are equally responsible in the harm of children as much as the offender in question. If having child porn is illegal by law you cannot go against it unless you protest (which won't get you very far and besides it would stain your name for life). It the same deal with Drugs, stolen goods etc. If you would get caught with these what would happen to you? Is the essential question, use an analogy and see it from that way. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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What I'm seeing here is you A) Made a blanket claim about an entire profession without having any evidence to back up your claim and then B) publicly admitted you're "glad" it whipped people up and made them upset. A is something that happens every day on this forum so I'm not going to admonish you for that further aside from pointing out the ridiculousness of it, but B is straight-up trolling. If that's what you're doing here, knock it off. If I catch you doing that again, you're out of here. |
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Porcupine
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child of Lilith
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Quoted from Piratet man
It the same deal with Drugs, stolen goods etc. If you would get caught with these what would happen to you? Is the essential question, use an analogy and see it from that way. You would come off looking a lot better if you were found with drugs and such things instead of cp.In fact they would probably ignore charging you for the drugs altogether if you had cp. |
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Kanchide
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What is being said, it's that NOT ALL peds have a motivation to harm a child. In fact, i can say that the ones who harms childrens are a minority. "They" are more than you think, and I'm pretty sure that most of you know at least one and don't know. As in homosexuality, it went under cover" under when not accepted in the society; many praticed in secret, many never admitted to anyone of being homosexual or bisexual, many only had fantasies they weren't going to follow. But they weren't less. The same applies. You can influence the main trend for sexual orientation, as you can influence fashion (in the past, high status would be connected to fair complexion women, now it's connected to tanned ones), but "sexual deviations" would be mostly untouched. So if attraction to "teenagers" or childs wasn't so rare until this century, do you really think it was reduced only because the law says so? Regarding the pair of links you've posted, it's probable that you'll find cp with a pedo who is a sexual molester too, as it's probable you'll find "normal" porn with a "normal" sexual molester. But sexual molesters, rapers and killers are only a small percentage of pedos (and pedos are only a percentage of child murderers), as sexual molesters, rapers and killers are a small percentage of men interested in sex. So, as it's already said again and again, what you said is the same as saying that there is a direct correlation between having porn and killing people. So let's ban all porn. It's pretty obvious that it's easier to be impressed che child murderer with cp on the news than the hundreds of pedos who didn't do anything and you know nothing. As for the other one, note that the terms child and teenager are used interchangeably. So maybe he spied on some teenager, but he will be flagged as a child molester. And I don't think those girls where harmed anything more than an eighteen years old would have been harmed if the photons reflected by their naked body ended into a lascivious eye. As for your recurring question, I repeat that child porn is banned (or should be banned) because in the process of making it, someone had sex with a child. It's not the same as virtual cp, where noone is having sex with anyone. It's a nonsense. If I draw a couple of stick figures having sex, one with the label "child", would you fine anyone who has it? What you want and what you're trying to justify, is trying to have people not having fantasies about sex with childs. And that you can't do. You're so worried about the message and the society because the society imprinted you so. For me, it's perfectly right for anyone to masterbate about anything they want if they are not harming anyone. You have been indocrinated about the fact that having even only a fantasy about having sex with a teenager it's the eviliest of all evils. And maybe, at the same time, you think that the outcasting of burakumins was ridiculous, or that punishments regarding infidelty in orient are barbaric, or that the medieval witch hunts were crazy and a scapegoat, while you condemn some one to social death (or phisical death) for having fantasies? If you note, today even serial killers are humanized. Books and movies are made on their life. But a child molester (and I would like to see what some of those "child molester" have really done), or someone who has fantasies about, are de-humanized, made the inhuman enemy. They are simply evil. It's not true that they are persons. Who maybe are loved, who maybe have a life, a story. They are all the same. Evil. Don't you think it's not really far from witch hunting and antisemitism, or racism? And as in witch hunts, is enough having a suspect ,to kill a witch. Now we say that most of the witches burned at the stake were innocents. It's strange how a simple change in the common opinion can change the right in wrong, isn't it? |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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UGH What is wrong with you? Why are there so many pedophile apologists and people desperate to get everyone to think that pedophilia is totally A-OK and awesome? Is it just anime fandom that attracts these people? I swear some of the ridiculous pro-pedophilia arguments I've read in here make me physically ill. |
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britannicamoore
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-I dn't know what Kanchide meant by that sentence- this is a reply to what you said afterwords. Sorry you can't make the distinction between a person who actually hurts people/ watches real people be hurt and a person who jacks off to fake material in the privacy of their own home. I don't care what other people think- But if someones going to argue with botched facts and just using their opinions are key evidenece then i'm going to say something. I've had this discussion in one of my classes (im not sure how we got to it) but many people said that drawings don't physically hurt people so no harm no foul. Like others have said here and I have many times as well- people make their own descions you can't blame an object on something they choose to do. Pedos don't hurt people either. Why does it matter what other people are attracted too so long as they don't fufill their fanties if they are against the law? I don't think its awesome but as long as they don't harm real kids then whatever. Like it was also said earlier it was a'ok with many people until recently (i'll say 10 years based on some of my classes but it may have been a little fruther back than that) and oublic opinion swayed. Opinions don't change that people aren't gettting hurt. It's fine and dandy to have your opinion but don't look down on people who think differently than you do. Anime fandom has nothing to do with this situation- its just that many people even if they don't like it- can admit, that it doesn't hurt anyone. |
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Haterater
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Indeed, the material is NOT hurting a real child, there is no child involved. If the person does not do the deed, than what is the problem?
This goes well in hand with violent games causes violent and that we should ban all violent movies, games, and a whole lot because there is a chance someone will hurt someone. That is not the right way of doing things. Why punish people who do not do the bad deeds? I know alot of us has seen violent media, so does that mean that we will all go shoot up someone? No! Before you know it, someone is going to jail just for having a pencil and paper because there is a chance they will draw child porn or a violent image. Animation is just not real. The children aren't real and to me, it seems like the person who wants it banned is the one with the issues instead. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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You know, my argument is mostly that pedophiles are creepy and gross and I stand by my right to think that they're creepy and gross. I will look down on them, thank you very much, for wanting to bone children. I have a real problem with that. I wouldn't associate myself with someone like that. Does it hurt anyone? Not unless they act on it or consume and distribute pornography wherein real children are being harmed. But you sitting here demanding that I accept pedophiles and be A-OK with what they do so long as they're not hurting anyone. Can't do that, sorry. I draw the line at pedophilia. It isn't something I can stomach, not something I'm willing to condone or ignore, thereby implying tacit approval. Let me go ahead and boil this down for you. My stance is this: if you're a pedophile who only looks at drawn pornography, you're a creepy pervert with sick fantasies. If you're a pedophile who collects or consumes child pornography, you're a creepy pervert who's also a criminal. If you're a child molestor, you deserve your violent prison rape. No, I'm not going to sit here and say "eh well if they're not hurting anyone who cares", I'm going to say "Well they're not hurting anyone but man they are creepy and gross, that stuff is disgusting". I don't see anything wrong with that. To be honest, outside of anime fandom I've NEVER heard so many people so desperately defending pedophiles, so eager to get everyone to be OK with it. |
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britannicamoore
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Nothing wrong with thinking that they are creepy and gross. Sorry it just seemed like you were putting everyone down who thought differently. At least you achknowledged that even though "creepy and disgusting" pedos who look at fake cp aren't criminals. Thats all I was looking for. Others can't seem to understand that. |
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ultrapostman
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Personally, my opinions on pedophilia have nothing to do with being an anime fan. I think that anime fans just tend to be more vocal (especially over the internet) in defending their opinions. You're right that not many people (not that I've heard) outside of anime fans support pedophiles in public, but that's also because they're afraid to take sides in the debate, because pedophilia is currently a losing side. |
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child of Lilith
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I think the reason why so many anime fans are defending pedophiles is because many of them know what it feels like to be hated and ostracized already because they are anime fans. When you are already a member of a minority that is looked down on by the mainstream it becomes much harder for you to completely blacklist another out of hand. Basically what it comes down to is its harder to cast stones when you know what if feels like to be hit by them.
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Porcupine
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I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking pedophiles are yucky and gross. People can think whatever they want.
But throwing a person into jail because he looks at drawn child porn, or fining him $8000, I would not call okay. That's what this thread was about I think, at least at first. |
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HitokiriShadow
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I don't have a problem with people thinking pedophiles are gross and disgusting. That's understandable. I do have a problem with people acting like all pedophiles are child molesters or on the path to becoming one.
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Zalis116
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Like most threads on this subject, this one has finally run its course and descended into circular arguments. Thus, it's time to lock it down, unless somebody wants to send me compelling PMs about why it should stay open.
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