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Hey, Answerman! [2006-08-04]

burzmali wrote:

D. When a bullet falls through a kid's skull. D. When he runs over a kid.

Because it only ever happens to children. Of course, I do believe it is also illegal to own an automatic firearm to begin with. I'm not really sure where you're going with it.

but did anyone from the pro-lolicon side say it was "right"?

I can't believe it. I can't believe how many people on here are trying to justify such sick fantasies. I've been watching anime and reading manga for a good 13 years, and it almost makes me want to quit.

How can I be like these people? YES, I said it. THESE people. Oh no, am I----

Oh god, I can't do it.

A person is performing an action that is potentially harmful

What the hell? Are you making fun of me? STILL? Haha, I'm glad you find my pain so amusing, jackass. I understand now this is your own personal shooting range - thank you, everyone, for clearing that up for me in the last forum - but please choose a different target. Perhaps you should try running over puppies or verbally abusing the mentally disabled? Just a suggestion. I knew people would counter attack what I said; I can respect that, even if I don’t agree. I didn’t think people on here were so emotionally bankrupt as to completely disregard my very personal and obviously strong feelings by making FUN of me – apparently one round wasn’t enough, you’ve gotta bring it here as well - because I was an abused child. I was honestly trying to help. I thought maybe, just MAYBE bringing my experiences into the debate might help some people look at it in a different light. How naive of me to think of the people on here as adults, when most of you are clearly only children with a mean streak.
Laugh it up.

That's a serious questions, it's like the SATs. A person is performing an action that is potentially harmful, when do you stop him:

A. Before he starts
B. Once he has made it clear he will commit harm
C. Once he has probably committed harm
D. After he has undeniablely committed harm.

D is too late and A is too soon, but where to draw the line.

I knew people would counter attack what I said; I can respect that, even if I don’t agree. I didn’t think people on here were so emotionally bankrupt as to completely disregard my very personal and obviously strong feelings by making FUN of me – apparently one round wasn’t enough, you’ve gotta bring it here as well - because I was an abused child. I was honestly trying to help. I thought maybe, just MAYBE bringing my experiences into the debate might help some people look at it in a different light. How naive of me to think of the people on here as adults, when most of you are clearly only children with a mean streak.
Laugh it up.

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but did anyone from the pro-lolicon side say it was "right"?

As I stated in the sea of pages before this post, lolicon is neither right nor wrong. What I want people to look at (virtua said something like this) how did lolicon get to this point.

Right now, lolicon is on the rise. Its sales are higher than ever, the authors are making loads of money out of it. But why is it on the rise? People buy it. The question is, why people buy it?

It is well know in the marketing industry, that people doesn't buy something because is new or cool, or anything like that. People buy it because they want it. That's what marketing is all about, trying to see what does people exactly want. And right now, what people want is lolicon. This is what is wrong to me. Not the subject of the matter itself, lolicon, but the reason for it to be so popular now. Personally, I find it disgusting, but that doesn't make it wrong or bannable, nor their artists are some kind of twisted, child-raping devils.

Ha ha. I couldn't even remember who said it. Seriously, dude, lighten up. I understand what happened to you was a terrible thing, and I will not disagree with that. In fact, I flat out sympathize. I'm not trying to attack you, although I do admit it was a tasteless joke, and for that, I apologize.

I didn't realize anyone made fun of you. I only remember people saying your claim didn't add anything to the debate as it was merely an emotional appeal. What happened to you was terrible and the bastard needs to suffer in ways which would be constitutionally unacceptable and violate human rights conventions. But your experience is only relevant if the perpatrator happened to watch lolicon. And even then there are the other issues that have been addressed elsewhere in this thread.

burzmali wrote:

A person is performing an action that is potentially harmful

There's a difference between shooting a gun and looking at guns. Not everyone who sees guns wants to shoot one. Think about that.

burzmali, you have a good argument but the fact still stands that if you watch lolicon, that doesn't 100% guarentee you're going to commit any bad acts towards anyone else or even think about seriously doing any, period, hell it's probably not even close to %10, and you're right, it's the same argument with actual child porn in this respect but child porn HAS to involve the actual act while loli doesn't so there's really not much you can say against it, I mean come on, it's like comparing a serial murder with a blockbuster movie on a serial murderer, if the movie was anime even. Just think plausible denial and guilt by association. It's the people, not the material.

Besides, in response to your drunk driving analogy that doesn't really work in this situation, in a better (but still not nearly accurate enough) comparison to watching lolicon (as someone being intoxicated) and actually commiting a form of child abuse (driving drunk) it'd be the equivilent of someone intoxicated getting a kick out of watching someone else drive drunk, in a cartoon. He's watching a fictional act that can be performed, but it's not a given he's going to do it too or think about seriously doing it. Your analogy would better fit with someone who watches lolicon actually taking a kid's clothes off unnecessarily before he touches them, do you get my point?

Seriously, it's called entertainment no matter how you address it, we needn't be so critical of it. Even if the perspective and message is a negative one, it's not a given that you have to obey it, same with all other forms of entertainment.

I can't say that all lolicon fans are sexually atracted to real children. Some are, some aren't. Some people are only attracted to drawings, therefore aren't into real children. Some find both attractive. Likewise, some want to have sex with children, some don't. You can't judge every lolicon fan based off of one. Like anime fans in general, everyone likes different things. I'm not being prololi or conloli, I'm just saying that don't assume that all lolicon fans are interested in real child porn, and find it acceptable. Not all lolicon fans are the same person.

Personally, I'm not for or against lolicon. I'm not into it myself(I don't even like porn between 2 consentual adults!), but I can't judge those who are, as I don't know anything about lolicon, and frankly, I don't want to. I find it gross, but I can't judge its fans in one judgement. I can only judge individuals.

Yeah, your post inspired me in a way to point out again it's watching something fictional and not real anyway, good post.