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warriortribble
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With that said however, the things I hope Japan doesn't start mimicking the U.S is: A: The constant need to recreate and retcon characters/plots instead of making new ones. B: Messing with canon by trying to make dozens of authors write in the same universe. Then attempting to rectify this by creating some multiverse nonsense. |
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Panda Man
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Actually, you are wrong about number 2. Witchblade was redone basically to be more appealing to the Japanese. Took place in Japan, had japanese characters. So, I thin kthey will redo Iron Man with a more Japanese appeal. |
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The Xenos
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Anyone else disturbed that bishie Tony is lacking his sexy sexy beard?
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yojimboray
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Uh, actually, good point. However, I was thinking more along the lines of stories that have gone on for decades and will probably never end in the tradition of superhero comics. |
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yojimboray
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Good reply, and thanks for bringing up the word, retcon. I think what I despise most of all in American comics is this periodic reboot of the story every superhero comic seems to have to go through. I stopped caring and, therefore, stopped buying comics when I realized that nothing I learned about the story mattered because it would eventually be changed or deleted sometime down the line. Then again, Marvel and DC's main demographic is 17 and under anyways, so it's more important for them to attract new blood then retain their older fan base. Lastly, evidence of anime and manga diversity: Macross, Gundam, Berserk, Record of Lodoss War, Gunsmith Cats, Voltron, Gatchaman, and so on... |
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BellosTheMighty
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As others have said, this happens in manga already. Granted, even the longest series seldom last more than a decade, but that's well long enough for the story to get tiring- the difference between one year and five years is a lot more than the difference between ten and fifteen, if you know what I mean. Off the top of my head: DragonballZ, Naruto, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (admittedly that last one had several reboots), Bastard!!, Fist of the North Star, Hikaru no Go, pretty much anything of significance by Rumiko Takahashi- they all went on for ages, often until they were way past the point where the characters or storylines were interesting. One Piece is still running and just celebrated it's 10th Anniversary. It's not specific to sequential art works either- L. Frank Baum's Oz books went through several dozen sequels and at least three major authors. James Bond is still going strong when his franchise started back in the 60's. The X-Files dragged out for 9 years, and is now BACK- despite the fact that noone really missed it by the time it bit the big one. Hell, it's not even specific to 20th-21st century art. Spencer's The Fairy Queene was suppossed to go on for 24 books and wound up being a quarter of that.
Are you serious? Dude, if anything you've got it backwards. It hasn't been that way since the relaunch of X-Men in the 1970's, when it was a Canadian, a Russian, an Irishman, a German who looked like a devil, an African peasent girl, a Native American (okay, he died early on), and a Japanese man. Oh, and Cyclops. But noone cares about Cyclops. And that tradition of multicultural teams continues to this day. Meanwhile the writers of Bleach bend the backstory into knots to make Chad half-Japanese, while seemingly everyone across the Pacific seems unaware that the "Sambo Lips" are horridly offensive. |
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yojimboray
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BellosTheMIghty- Great counter-argument; however, Dragonball and most of Takahashi's works did eventually end with a concluding story as we knew they would because that's what manga and anime do- they begin, they progress, then they end (I'm not really knowledgeable about the other titles you mentioned but is there any doubt that Naruto and Bleach will someday have a definitive ending?). I would also argue that if the American comic mentality pervaded the manga industry, Dragonball and Ranma would still be going on today.
As for diversity in comics, X-Men was a revolutionary book. Using minority characters was a natural extension of the story's message about prejudice. However, the best-known, most fully-fleshed out characters remain heroes like Spider-man, Batman, Superman, Aquaman, Thor(my favorite comic book character), Captain Marvel, Green Lantern, etc. Lastly, while it is true that American comic creators are far less likely to make a racial faux paux in their books, they are also far less likely to put cool, compelling non-white protagonists in as well. |
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enurtsol
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Gotham Knight is actually doing quite well, despite lukewarm reviews on anime sites, meaning just tiny of the tremendous sales comes from the anime segment.
Do you guys mean Japanophobia, maybe? 
Except for the infamous Japanese Spiderman of course. 
(And some would say the Japanese Transformers too.)
Most Japanese manga hardly have any foreign ethnicities or colored characters - or if there's any foreigner in there, it's usually Chinese, Korean, or white Caucasian.
Anyways, just hope the superheroes aren't emo bishounen. 
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britannicamoore
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I actually enjoyed the bits and pieces of the Japanese transformers i've seen. Besides which is worse? Those or Transformers Animated? Remember that the Cybertron series was mostly ruined by the dub- the Japanese treated the series as a stand alone series while the dub tried to connect it to the previous series: Energon. Sometimes I hate the things I realize I know.
You mean the Spiderman with the mecha? Totally forgot about it. (Although it makes me giggle every-time he calls it) So, 1 to Seemingly-infinite-but-with-rare-gems-along-the-way. |
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The Xenos
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Crap. Not i got the damn theme song stuck in my head. YEAH YEAH YEAH, WOW! Spidah man! I remember when a roommate and I found that as a bootleg VHS on the streets of New York. Whooo. Meanwhile, there's a pretty decent and interesting Spider-man manga that came out years ago. Never mind that Batman Child of Dreams book.
Mr Popo doesn't know what you're talking about. Oh lawdy lawdy lawdy. Yousa meana people gonna die? 
Meanwhile, I did actually see actual Little Black Sambo dolls (and adorable cell phone accessories) in a department store next to Mickey Mouse and Tin Tin on my vacation in Japan. So, yeah. Understanding racial stereotypes in such an ethnically homogeneous country like Japan is still an issue. Also makes me wonder why Tony Stark can't grow a beard. What? Us gaijins too hairy and disgusting for them> |
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Richard J.
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So given the fact that Wolverine always sales bucket loads, what other anime series could be tied with that one? Once we have all the particulars about the series, it might be fun to try to arm ourselves with a list of anime that have some of the same production staff and VAs to suggest to any Wolverine buyer. (Even 10% of them would be a boost to sales right?) I wonder how Marvel plans to release these over here or if they even have plans to do that. @ britannicamoore: Reason why some have issues with the Japanese Transformers series, I have two words: Kiss Players. Even I wonder what the hell they were thinking. (Though I'm also strangely intrigued inspite of myself.) |
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yojimboray
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Most Japanese manga hardly have any foreign ethnicities or colored characters - or if there's any foreigner in there, it's usually Chinese, Korean, or white Caucasian.
Most- yes, but compared to American comics or animation, manga and anime are practically the United Nations. Examples: Cowboy Bebop, Macross, Berserk, Gundam, Evangelion... Not only is there more character diversity, but you'll notice in these series that I've mentioned, non-Japanese characters are positively portrayed. On the other hand, Japanese and other asian characters don't receive the same treatment in the US in general. |
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Servant of the Path
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I couldn't help but chuckle when I realized what you were really saying here. At first, I had stopped reading at "No more diversity" thinking that you were talking about kinds of stories. I'm far less concerned with how many different skin colors I see than I am with losing the wide variety of stories I have access to in anime. Is anyone else out there worried that greater collaboration between cartoon/comic producers in the US and anime creators in Japan might end up generating lower quality story lines and plots in a cartoon-anime style? I couldn't help but cringe when I saw a headline a while back about Stan Lee engaging in talks with certain anime studios over new productions. I'm worried that anime companies might start taking the view that in order to gain better access to the American market they're going to have to start making 'anime' with American-style story telling. |
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yojimboray
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I believe that my point about lack of diversity is an inherent part of American-style storytelling. And, yes, considering that the U.S has the most diverse population in the world, I do find this fact sadly ironic. Cool avatar, btw. |
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Keonyn
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I believe that your point is, frankly, invalid. I believe you watch too much mainstream marketed garbage that it is all you see anymore, since American style storytelling is far more diverse and creative than you give it credit for. You're just going to have to turn your dial away from NBC or CBS or look beyond movies released in October through December that are designed with filling as many seats as possible in mind.
You think anime is really the prime example of diversity? Come on, seriously, there are so many typical shounen series out there that are formulaic and uninspired that listing them all would probably break the server with the size of the post that would result. Harem comedies anyone? Cookie cutter yaoi shows? Fan service laden designs and hot spring/beach/bath episodes? Teenagers saving the world? Need I go on? Seriously, have any of you even picked up a modern comic book? Ready a good US novel? Watched a good show or movie that isn't a big blockbuster developed to fill seats? The quality disparity isn't as great as you think. Frankly, I find the bias present in people disturbing, and how skewed it makes their perception of one market compared to another, despite the fact they are more similar than they pretend. The only real difference is that while they are similar, they are similar in an unfamiliar way, which presents the illusion that they are "different" or "diverse". I also find it funny that anime adaptations are praised while attempts to travel that highway in the opposite direction are blasted as some sort of evil; the double standards really do get old. It's discussions like this that make it apparent to me that many anime fans are really no different than the ones they claim persecute them. |
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