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TitanXL
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"Offensive" is not misogyny. Again, please learn what that word means. I am fairly sure Deep Silver is not a woman hating company. If you want to talk about extremes it would be people jumping to conclusions of how the entire staff of a company thinks over an ill-received marketing decision. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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TitanXL, expert on misogyny.
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Kakugo
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I'll grant that it's in bad taste, but I have little doubt the artist was thinking of Venus of Cyrene, one of the more recognizable and famous statues of classical idealized female beauty (though clearly second to the Venus de Milo). Both of these statues have something on common, though; the idealized female core is perfectly intact, while the limbs (and the former's head) were lost to the ages. The fact that they're releasing this in Australia with a union-jack themed bikini should have been a tip that they were going out of their way to be as obnoxious as possible. Australia is infamous for video game censorship and even banning many of them outright - they've literally allowed their first R18 rating for a game this year, despite having allowed films the same rating for over a decade. In short, Silver Light is trolling, and the lot of you are proving them successful. Would the reaction have been any more positive if it had been a male torso? Doubtful. The insults would have been different, but the industry would have complained anyway. Instead the target demographic - you know, the young, hip, machismo fueled males who actually play games like Dead Island - would be snarking about the implicit homoeroticism of it. This wasn't a ploy they were creating NOT to disgust and offend, so they figured "mysoginist!" was the easier label to deflect than "gay!" Suggesting "Hey! It could be a shemale!" kind of missed the mark, but I have to say, that's by far the most clever thing he could have said. The fact that they didn't cancel it the same day they "apologized" tells me everything about this situation I need to know. ...personally I chuckled, shrugged, and thought that was par for the course having finished the original game. Still, can't say I have any real need for a Big Hunk Of Dead Lady - not that isn't already being taken up by Clive Barker memorabilia at any rate! If this had been an even more obnoxious, maybe a "His 'n' Her" bookend with a hulking male corpse, they'd have me cornered. |
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Draneor
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"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women." If a woman says "a sexualized bloody torso of a woman is offensive, " you can make a strong case that, it is indeed, likely offensive because it comes across as misogynistic. I admit that I could have worded my response more clearly, but that was what I intended to convey. On the other hand, your response basically boils down to "hey, we're not tossing acid into your face for trying to learn how to read so shut the hell up about anything else." Do you not see why that response can come across as misogynistic?
Literally no one has said the employees of Deep Silver actively hate women or intentionally created the item because of such an assumed hate, Likely, they never even thought about it. That's why it's important to have this conversation because a lot of misogyny are due to huge blind spots. Which is to say you or I can be misogynistic regardless of our in intentions and not even know it. And I'm not even saying you have to agree if someone says x comes across as misogynistic--just try to understand as best as you can why they think that way. Honestly, we're never going to rectify gender disparities if we don't get past the "you're a misogynst/no, I'm not" conversation. |
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Elves
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Seriously, Todd, my eyes bugged out when I scrolled down and saw a picture from "The Last Guardian" in the column. I was freaking out! Then...I was deflated. *long sigh* I suppose knowing that the game is not totally dead yet is a good thing. So I thank you for that. Though I'm no where near as elated as I ought to be. I'm glad to see the news in the column! Guess I'll go put a PS3 back on my wishlist at Amazon and see how long it takes before the game is released because then, and only then, will Sony get my money.
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Juno016
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Does one have to intend harm or disrespect women to be a "misogynist"...?
From what it looks like, it's referring to something that stems from hatred. If it stems from hatred, the word "misogyny" might not be the best way to put it here. "Disrespect" would be far more fitting. At least you can accidentally disrespect someone else. As for Fire Emblem: Awakening... I'm just before chapter 9 in the Japanese version. I haven't played that many other Fire Emblems before (I've played the English GBA game with Eliwood and Lyndis before, though I only got to around chapter 16 before the save battery on the game died... and I got through about 13 chapters of Path of Radiance), but already, the simplicity and the "casual mode" make this my favorite Fire Emblem yet. Since I suck at strategy RPG's and prefer my characters not to die for good, I feel like this is the exact kind of thing I needed in the franchise to stick to it. Now it's fun and I'm not restarting the game over one minor character death! And, well, the characters seem balanced enough that you don't have to worry that much about leveling up useless characters. They can all be useful in time, at least with the characters I've chosen to use so far. The character I thought would be the weakest link, due to experience with the same class in other Fire Emblems, ended up becoming my strongest character so far. SUMIA ftw! |
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cynthiashields
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N.R.
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Funny how a column on ANN has predictions for the Japanese game industry but ANN didn't bother to an article with predictions regarding the anime industry. At any rate, nice column. I totally didn't know about that bloody torso. I don't think the Vita did bad, and I don't think the WiiU is currently doing any good, but hey, that's how I see it (maybe the market figures will prove me wrong in a year or two).
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poonk
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Yes, I apparently must... |
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Mad_Scientist
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Wow, somehow I missed this news, awesome. And hilarious, I think they must just be messing with Todd with the timing of these announcements now. |
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RyanSaotome
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The originals screen is far too small. The XL's screen size is about the same as the Vitas, which is a much better size to play games on. |
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CrownKlown
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This person is a genius making a very nice sarcastic illustration of exactly whats wrong with detractors of the statute or is serious and is a very sad example of them. |
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Ozzhiroth
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well, I may be new here but I know one thing. We are spoiled when it comes to versions of consoles. I have the first print, first day, 3DS. The screen size is the biggest of first print editions of nintendo portables. It is especially giant compared to the first print DS. It seems like it would be silly to say that you can't play a game effectively on the standard screen. |
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DavidShallcross
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Welcome to the forums! I bet you don't need large type books, either. Some of us don't see so well. |
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Ozzhiroth
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well.... Actually I need heavy corrective lenses despite being in my 20s. Small screens are something you just get used to after having played games from the original Gameboy to the 3DS. Bulky handheld that can't fit in pocket is no longer portable. Ex. Atari Lynx, Sega Gamegear. PSP barely squeezed by on size. I hated the DSXL due to the fact that it was not ergonomically portable. |
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