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kizoku



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:37 pm Reply with quote
Speaking as a computer professional, I have to say there is no way to completely censor your kid's internet viewing and still have it be useful. And it is very useful. Nowadays, by junior high school, they almost have to use the net just to do homework. Still, there is a simple way to mostly control what they view. Until they are mature enough to handle things themselves, have their only computer access in the middle of your traffic pattern. For my children this meant the computer was between the family room (tv and books) and the kitchen. Either parent might wander through at any time. Not to check up, just for some munchies, but they could be looking over your shoulder almost any time. Now that the youngest is 16, they all have laptops and wireless. By now they've already been raised properly (I think they have) or it's too late to worry anyhow.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:43 pm Reply with quote
Uh, I don't know where I should post this but, what happened to this weeks The Click? Or am I missing something and not looking in the right place?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:31 pm Reply with quote
I'm with Ichigo on 20th Century Boys! I really want to read that one! I heard a rumor that Urasawa won't let it be lisenced until Monster has finished it's English language run, but it's probably not true.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:04 pm Reply with quote
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Uh, I don't know where I should post this but, what happened to this weeks The Click? Or am I missing something and not looking in the right place?


It's out this week, actually. It'll return next week or the week after.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:26 pm Reply with quote
Ashkah wrote:

Truthfully, that type of question is better represented as an opinion and should have been directed more as a rant than an actual question to be answered, because there is no way to answer that question without adding in the answerer's own personal bias.



ichido reichan wrote:

I wrote for you a rant about how europe has much better manga titles that the ones in USA and that USA is flooding the market with all these goth manga and shojo and for the action fan there are a few titles counted by hand.


It was submitted as a rant. (Just wanted to point that out)
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Dargonxtc



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:35 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Dargonxtc wrote:
Uh, I don't know where I should post this but, what happened to this weeks The Click? Or am I missing something and not looking in the right place?


It's out this week, actually. It'll return next week or the week after.

Cool glad to hear it's not going away! -thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:07 pm Reply with quote
hanachan01 wrote:
I'm with Ichigo on 20th Century Boys! I really want to read that one! I heard a rumor that Urasawa won't let it be lisenced until Monster has finished it's English language run, but it's probably not true.


Actually, it's true. I don't have the press release or what have you, but he basically said it would be an injustice to his work if you saw both 20th Century Boys and Monster together.
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Wolverine Princess



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:16 pm Reply with quote
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And again, Gravitation and other shonen-ai is not yaoi.


I still call it yaoi. It's not that I'm uninformed of the term's origins (yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi"), exact meaning ("no climax, no punch line, no meaning") or what have you, but it's the most commonly understood umbrella term for all manga dealing with male homosexual themes written for girls. Sure, a lot of people get picky about it only being used for hard porn, but just as many anime and manga fans just don't know any better and call all of it yaoi because they're unaware of other terms that define the porn level like shounen ai and BL. When I talk about "yaoi" to casual anime fans, they immediately know what I'm talking about. When I say shounen ai, slash, BL, or other lesser known terms, I get raised eyebrows. DMP's "Yaoi Manga" line has both hard porn and fluffy shounen ai, so most people just think it's an umbrella term and I play along. I have to say I find it rather elitist people when I see situations like this unfold:

Girl A: What'd you just buy?
Girl B: OMG it's Gravitation OMG. Yaoi yayayay!
Girl A: That's not yaoi, it's shounen ai.

Gravitation is not shounen ai, and it's not yaoi. Shounen ai means child porn in Japan, and that isn't the case here. (If the same situation unfolded for Loveless, then yes, it would be shounen ai.) Yaoi is still used in Japan, but it's a derogatory term for doujinshi. It's BL! BL really is a cover-all for all boy-on-boy comics for girls, so why hasn't it caught on yet? Let's all make the world a better place and only use the term BL when talking about “this kind of stuff”. If it's porn, call it hard BL. If it's a fluffy teen-angst romance, call it soft BL. See how easy that is? Screw the stuff about BL being a part of NAMBLA; most people I've met don't know Boys Love is a word for pedophilia in North America until they it up on Wikipedia.
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Successful_Troll



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:42 pm Reply with quote
kizoku wrote:
Speaking as a computer professional, I have to say there is no way to completely censor your kid's internet viewing and still have it be useful. And it is very useful. Nowadays, by junior high school, they almost have to use the net just to do homework. Still, there is a simple way to mostly control what they view. Until they are mature enough to handle things themselves, have their only computer access in the middle of your traffic pattern. For my children this meant the computer was between the family room (tv and books) and the kitchen. Either parent might wander through at any time. Not to check up, just for some munchies, but they could be looking over your shoulder almost any time. Now that the youngest is 16, they all have laptops and wireless. By now they've already been raised properly (I think they have) or it's too late to worry anyhow.


If only there was some way to get information without opening your kids up to all sorts of stuff online...
Hey, anyone remember books? You know, you could buy one, or check one out of the library, and it had like all the information you would need on a subject all in one place! Plus it has the added advantage that printed books tend to have some credibility, where as on the internet anyone can just make stuff up and pass it off as factual.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:12 am Reply with quote
kizoku wrote:
Speaking as a computer professional, I have to say there is no way to completely censor your kid's internet viewing and still have it be useful. And it is very useful. Nowadays, by junior high school, they almost have to use the net just to do homework. Still, there is a simple way to mostly control what they view. Until they are mature enough to handle things themselves, have their only computer access in the middle of your traffic pattern. For my children this meant the computer was between the family room (tv and books) and the kitchen. Either parent might wander through at any time. Not to check up, just for some munchies, but they could be looking over your shoulder almost any time. Now that the youngest is 16, they all have laptops and wireless. By now they've already been raised properly (I think they have) or it's too late to worry anyhow.
This is how it is in our home too. The thing with wireless is that you could covertly tap in to what they are looking at with a receiver of your own on your station or laptop. It's the reason I won't have one in my home as some scumbag sitting in his car outside my front door can do the same thing when I'm using my credit card to buy anime, or manga on line. It's been seen to happen and people have been had and done for it in the UK.
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Ashkah



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:34 am Reply with quote
Akukaze wrote:
Ashkah wrote:

Truthfully, that type of question is better represented as an opinion and should have been directed more as a rant than an actual question to be answered, because there is no way to answer that question without adding in the answerer's own personal bias.



ichido reichan wrote:

I wrote for you a rant about how europe has much better manga titles that the ones in USA and that USA is flooding the market with all these goth manga and shojo and for the action fan there are a few titles counted by hand.


It was submitted as a rant. (Just wanted to point that out)


Hmm, thanks for that. I must have missed that little part, but that still doesn't change my main point in the post.
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Samurai-with-glasses



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:12 am Reply with quote
kizoku wrote:
Speaking as a computer professional, I have to say there is no way to completely censor your kid's internet viewing and still have it be useful. And it is very useful. Nowadays, by junior high school, they almost have to use the net just to do homework. Still, there is a simple way to mostly control what they view. Until they are mature enough to handle things themselves, have their only computer access in the middle of your traffic pattern. For my children this meant the computer was between the family room (tv and books) and the kitchen. Either parent might wander through at any time. Not to check up, just for some munchies, but they could be looking over your shoulder almost any time. Now that the youngest is 16, they all have laptops and wireless. By now they've already been raised properly (I think they have) or it's too late to worry anyhow.
Hmm. That's brilliant! No wait, I'm the one who's sitting at a computer conveniently located between the most-used sofa in the house, the kitchen, and the stairs. And the location choice isn't even intentional...

Okay... Confused Very Happy

Really, that is a good idea. Censoring the internet is just about the worst thing you'd ever do since, being 16 years old, not too far from what I was once a kid, I'm sure the kids can easily get a hold of the internet without their parents' consent nor knowledge anyway. I mean, most of the parents just realized recently (or not at all) that the little "gaming" and "video-watching" machine PSP can, oh my dear Holy Mother Church of whatever you prefer, download ...tadada... porn!

As for the Answerman-column-is-whateveryouropinionis issue, I simply skip the rants because I find most of them rather incoherent and annoying anyway, being but, by anime fandom standards, a marginal fan. Sure, I love anime a lot; sure, I love every anime I ever watched (which isn't much, considering I self-censored myself from fansubs and don't have much in terms of financial resources or convenience to partake in the creation of the British Library of Congress of Anime and Worthless Porn); but I don't get involved with the "fandom issues," aka issues involving non-issues and self-raised, self-made insignificant issues, at least for my selfish self. Of course, the reason being that I am just a newbie and far from jaded.

Of course, I missed the old "when it's gonna be released?" questions not because of the questions but Zac's reasoned answer, which gives some insight to a point of view about the industry and trends. And I even liked the "anime-work-industry-now!" questions when they last, not because of the questions either but Zac's sarcastic answer for a short smirk or some such. In a Q&A column the quality of the answers does much to alleviate the idiocy of the questions.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:40 am Reply with quote
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And again, Gravitation and other shonen-ai is not yaoi.


I still call it yaoi. It's not that I'm uninformed of the term's origins (yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi"), exact meaning ("no climax, no punch line, no meaning") or what have you, but it's the most commonly understood umbrella term for all manga dealing with male homosexual themes written for girls. Sure, a lot of people get picky about it only being used for hard porn, but just as many anime and manga fans just don't know any better and call all of it yaoi because they're unaware of other terms that define the porn level like shounen ai and BL. When I talk about "yaoi" to casual anime fans, they immediately know what I'm talking about. When I say shounen ai, slash, BL, or other lesser known terms, I get raised eyebrows. DMP's "Yaoi Manga" line has both hard porn and fluffy shounen ai, so most people just think it's an umbrella term and I play along. I have to say I find it rather elitist people when I see situations like this unfold:

Girl A: What'd you just buy?
Girl B: OMG it's Gravitation OMG. Yaoi yayayay!
Girl A: That's not yaoi, it's shounen ai.

Gravitation is not shounen ai, and it's not yaoi. Shounen ai means child porn in Japan, and that isn't the case here. (If the same situation unfolded for Loveless, then yes, it would be shounen ai.) Yaoi is still used in Japan, but it's a derogatory term for doujinshi. It's BL! BL really is a cover-all for all boy-on-boy comics for girls, so why hasn't it caught on yet? Let's all make the world a better place and only use the term BL when talking about “this kind of stuff”. If it's porn, call it hard BL. If it's a fluffy teen-angst romance, call it soft BL. See how easy that is? Screw the stuff about BL being a part of NAMBLA; most people I've met don't know Boys Love is a word for pedophilia in North America until they it up on Wikipedia.


I use it like that to. For me, I have to especially clarify this, since I don't like porn. When I tell non-yaoi loving anime fans that I love yaoi, some of them call me a 'porn fan', which is really annoying. I get it enough from ignorant people who think all anime is porn!

And something that really annoys me is when people pronounce yaoi 'yow-ee'. Since it's an acronym, it's pronounced 'yah-oh-ee', not 'yow-ee'.
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Akukaze



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:26 am Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
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And again, Gravitation and other shonen-ai is not yaoi.


I still call it yaoi. It's not that I'm uninformed of the term's origins (yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi"), exact meaning ("no climax, no punch line, no meaning") or what have you, but it's the most commonly understood umbrella term for all manga dealing with male homosexual themes written for girls. Sure, a lot of people get picky about it only being used for hard porn, but just as many anime and manga fans just don't know any better and call all of it yaoi because they're unaware of other terms that define the porn level like shounen ai and BL. When I talk about "yaoi" to casual anime fans, they immediately know what I'm talking about. When I say shounen ai, slash, BL, or other lesser known terms, I get raised eyebrows. DMP's "Yaoi Manga" line has both hard porn and fluffy shounen ai, so most people just think it's an umbrella term and I play along. I have to say I find it rather elitist people when I see situations like this unfold:

Girl A: What'd you just buy?
Girl B: OMG it's Gravitation OMG. Yaoi yayayay!
Girl A: That's not yaoi, it's shounen ai.

Gravitation is not shounen ai, and it's not yaoi. Shounen ai means child porn in Japan, and that isn't the case here. (If the same situation unfolded for Loveless, then yes, it would be shounen ai.) Yaoi is still used in Japan, but it's a derogatory term for doujinshi. It's BL! BL really is a cover-all for all boy-on-boy comics for girls, so why hasn't it caught on yet? Let's all make the world a better place and only use the term BL when talking about “this kind of stuff”. If it's porn, call it hard BL. If it's a fluffy teen-angst romance, call it soft BL. See how easy that is? Screw the stuff about BL being a part of NAMBLA; most people I've met don't know Boys Love is a word for pedophilia in North America until they it up on Wikipedia.


I think that this sort of goes back to the Japanese otaku v. American otaku debate. I know BL means, and a few other people know what it means, but for the most part American fans, even the majority of American "yaoi" fans, don't know what it means. So I use BL to refer to BL games (which usually requires explaination anyway, even if I call them shounen-ai/yaoi games). I use yaoi when referring to porn, and shounen-ai when referring to romantic/fluffy/angsty/whatever non-porn.

Also, shounen-ai doesn't mean child porn per se, although that connotation did/does exist. But the same connotation exists with boylove, which is easy to confuse with Boys Love when spoken aloud, so if you ask me that's kind of a moot point. I think the biggest reason that BL hasn't caught on is because it's an English phrase, and if you're a fangirl everything is cooler in Japanese.
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