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Given the rating Netflix assigned and season delay it's a shame they couldn't use the final version. The locker scene did get some actual nudity for example: http://otakomu.jp/archives/102137.html Also, FYI, quoted from CG supervisor and producer, there are about 20 new "cuts" or scenes per volume (see sample pic), focusing on "combat violence" and "sexy shots" http://natalie.mu/comic/news/114315
This sounds like they were trying to do the dub without the final TV material in front of them. It reminds me of serious sync issues in the SF4 OVA dub, and the Kurokami dub. That's the first thing I noticed and was extremely distracting/annoying (though SF4 was worse than Kurokami) It's always an issue with simul-dubs. Even if the Japanese process adds voices during or after animation, the timing and lip flaps (most importantly line/phrase start and end times) are always animated and timed for the original language, and the lines and timing can be tweaked. Getting off-sync from tweaked pauses, or shifting the timing of phrases, half a second here or half a second there between phrases, etc are VERY obvious and makes a dub look like a dubbed live action movie. Justin had discussed this (and verified my experience with Kurokami): animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2014-01-10
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Rei Sentoki
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The 3D CGI character animation was jerky and disconcerting. The story was okay. The setting was cool. The music was great.
And I really, really loved all the tactical displays.
Kobayashi wasn't wearing a mask when she was starkers later in the series. And didn't look much the centenarian then, either. |
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Agent355
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^Well, if you could just switch your brain into an immortal clone body, wouldn't you? Best beauty regimen ever!
I'm surprised Theron didn't mention how very *harem* the show was. Every female character except Kobayashi, Mama Bear, and Head Mech Engineer, were part of Nagate's harem and basically spent all their free time pining after him and fighting over him. The most frustrating of this problem was Izana, who for all intents and purposes acted like a girl. Not a realistic one, either. She is a "childhood friend of the harem" trope through and through. Why even bother making a the cool new concept of "3rd Gender" if you're just going to use the character as a harem trope? They didn't even try to mitigate it in the dubs--Izana sounded distinctly feminine in the English and Spanish dubs, which was a bit disappointing. But harem antics aside (even I'll admit that at least one harem related scene was funny), this show is excellent. I agree that it's more about hard scifi than about mecha, and the details of living and fighting on a ship when aliens are targeting you are very well fleshed out. And the animation wasn't perfect, but the soundtrack definitely was! |
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Stretch2424
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Knights of Sidonia was without doubt my favorite series of the Spring season. If it re-employed old mecha stereotypes, I think it did so in a skillful and effective manner--it chose the best stereotypes and carefully remixed them, thus creating an engaging and fascinating story. Whereas numerous anime are so borderline that I can't help looking at the timer and wishing they were over, Sidonia was the sort of show in which episodes flew by and seemed to last only 15 minutes or so. This was the sort of show from which I got a distinct thrill every now and then--that doesn't happen often. Perhaps one reason I like this show is because I like Tanikaze. Usually, he's a shy, almost goofy sort of guy, but in battle he becomes grim and determined. He's gradually learning all sorts of things about why the important people in Sidonia take an interest in him. In general, he has both strengths and weaknesses, and acts in a realistic way which we can identify with. The wild, exciting, Star Wars-like battle in episode twelve, and the wrap-ups afterwardsspoiler[ (like Tanikaze going to see the man who betrayed him)] left me in awe of Sidonia as a whole. Damn, that was a cool show--a work of literature converted into animation, not the usual mass-produced anime fare. This is what makes watching the first episode of almost every new anime at the start of a season worthwhile, because now and then a show of this caliber will come along.
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StormVanguard
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Jesus, not one mention of the Muv-Luv visual novel trilogy.. guess i gotta be that guy.
Well even though you're very far off you're also warm in a sense. Isayama Hajime was inspired by Muv-Luv actually and while Attack on Titan has more than several areas that give you a distinct feeling of deja vu Knights of Sidonia is on a completely different level of "similarity." I'm pretty much convinced after the latest events in Kos that Nihei Tsutomu borrows quite a few ideas from Muv-Luv however, he does a damn good job at hiding it and making something his own unlike Isayama Hajime. Don't get me wrong i like all three authors but Isayama's not very good at hiding the facts and keeping things original. Nihei Tsutomu however is one of my favorite author's. Last edited by StormVanguard on Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:32 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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AnimeKnight2034
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Good review Theron. Haters gonna be haters.
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Director-Beck
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Quoting because this is actually something you should have noticed if you watched the show. Because F.Y.I Attack on Titan was (more than likely) heavily influenced by Knights of Sidonia. I say this mainly because the Sidonia manga came before the AoT manga and because Isayama is confirmed to be a REALLY big Nehei fan. Also, considering all of the similarities in plot using the whole "different genre" thing wouldn't feel like a satisfactory excuse, since, as I like to put it "AoT is fantasy Sidonia". As for other comparisons, there are definitely a lot of Visual homages to Eva, and even then most of those aren't until later parts of the manga spoiler[mainly when the Chimeras become a thing], which weren't in this season . as for story I don't really see it there aside from it being a mech anime, and having the mecha anime tropes that are unavoidable, like having a mech. I won't claim to know enough about Macross to claim that there aren't similarities, but given I haven't seen anything specific from anyone's criticisms, I have my doubts. I'm really against the C+ story rating considering that Attack on Titan, which as we've been over is (more likely than not) inspired by Sidonia, and as such has an incredibly similar story in a fantasy setting (This of course can be attributed to the fact different people reviewed them, but I don't really take that as a good enough excuse). If you boil Sidonia down to it's most basic story elements of course it's going to sound generic, anything does if you take away the story elements that make it unique. One major thing is accusations that Tanikaze is Gary-stu-ish, yes he's a very good pilot, but there's a reason for that and he is not without his flaws. The main thing I want to note with Tanikaze is that he spent the majority of his life doing nothing but training to pilot a Garde, this sets him apart from other Mech pilots who are "gifted" Tanikaze isn't gifted, he's just had fourteen times as much training as every other pilot Sidonia has. Also, if you should make note that Tanikaze trained on a simulator for an older model, and when he attempts to use one for a newer model he ranks really low for someone of his skill, if he were to pilot an actual Type-18 Garde I figure he'd fair as well if not worse than the other pilot. If we look away from Tanikaze as a pilot though we see his real flaws, his people skills, that is, he has none. His major lack of defining personality or identity, his horrendously awkward and oblivious interactions with the other people on the ship showed what his years of isolation had done to his social skills, more than likely his grandfather taught him little more than how to speak when it came to communication, as training Tanikaze to kill Gauna was top priority. This combined with not being photosynthetic like most of Sidonia's inhabitants, and his being an outcast because of his origins, makes Tanikaze one of the most (intentionally) socially inept Mecha characters that I can thin of. As for other characters in the show I can see how they would blend into one another, aside from the Honoka sister's lighter hair everyone has really similar hair color and arguably similar hair styles, and I will admit it gets difficult to tell them apart at points, so there is no fault in getting the characters confused based on design, in terms of personality the adaption hasn't yet reached the point in the manga where everyone is at the best parts of their developments, and there are points where characters will act in similar ways, but I never felt like the characters were bland, unentertaining, or all too generic. The story is about humanity barely lingering by a thread against a near indomitable enemy. If Tanikaze were to die Sidonia as a whole would be doomed spoiler[and then you realize the immortal counsel WANTS him dead.] If you look at Eva the Angels are dispatched relatively easy in comparison, I'm not saying the fights were ever easy, but thank god they weren't as hard as Gauna battles, we'd have an Eva-408 if that were the case. Sidonia doesn't give you time to get to know the characters who die, it doesn't try and fake you out and give you shock deaths, the people who died were faceless, nameless, and numerous, just like deaths in a real war, you don't get to know every soldier who fought. Instead of getting you attached to characters and killing them spoiler[OKAY there are exceptions, but for the most part Sidonia doesn't TRY to do this.] Sidonia keeps it simple and keeps your core cast safe so that they can develop and we can grow properly attached to them, and unlike other shows that keep characters safe for no reason most of Sidonia's surviving cast survives for reasons, such as Tanikaze - Has trained for over a decade Kunato - spoiler[Quits after barely any missions] Izana - Isn't an official pilot until near the end Midorikawa - spoiler[Is promoted to a bridge position instead of being a pilot] Even though the deaths in the show are numerous and mostly nameless we see people die from things that aren't Gauna related, and not like that one nameless guy in AoT [spoiler]who shot himself in the mouth[\spoiler], no, we see people die from a shift in gravity due to the ship changing course rapidly, we see A LOT of people die this way, and that scene was really critical in establishing not only who hard the show is trying to maintain a semblance of realism, but it had a big impact, just from the Gauna moving towards the ship hundreds of people died. It helped establish how big of a threat the Gauna are, which, by the way, is what we will talk about next. The Gauna are probably my favorite story element, not because of the mystery behind them, honestly I could care less if we got an answer as to their origins, no, I love the Gauna because they are NIGHTMARE fuel. Taking them in comparison to something like the Titans (are you sick of the AoT comparisons yet?) the Gauna are horrifying, they don't have the almost human look that makes Titans as unsettling as they are, but what the Gauna have is unpredictability,they have regenerative abilities, they can take on the appearance of humans, they can reverse engineer technology out of biomass, they can [spoiler]engulf a dwarf planet and use it as a giant battering ram, and they can recreate an entire human, the robot she pilots, AND all of her tactical knowledge.[spoiler] the Gauna are even attracted to the only known weapon spoiler[sans the Chimeras because the anime isn't there yet] that can kill them, leading some on Sidonia to believe the Gauna only attack because they posses such weapons. I feel like the absolute core of Sidonia's story is generic, but that's near unavoidable, it's everything around that core that makes Sidonia so great, and the only part of Sidonia I would describe as "made up of parts from other Mecha shows" is the Gardes, because they were designed by kitbashing a bunch of model kits together until Nihei had a design he was satisfied with. Also, two things on Lala 1. You're questioning a talking bear in a show with Giant Mechs, space travel, immortality, cloning, a third biological gender, and shapeshifting hell beast from space? and 2. It's a Nihei thing, if it's anything special it's a homage to Biomega. As for the other elements of the review I don't find them egregious enough to rant about them. To be honest, I want to see more of Theron's reviews to see if Sidonia just isn't to their taste or something. |
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animemaster1
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Did you really give the story a C+? You have to be crazy not to give it an A at least. No if, ands, or buts about it. Hands down, this is one of the best anime's to come out recently.
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Agent355
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The fact that it takes place in space makes Lala stand out even more since there are no other mammals on Sidonia! They can barely afford to feed humans, how can they afford a bear? Guess that's why she's always cooking! I know, it's a Nihei thing. The connections between Knights of Sidonia and Attack on Titan are interesting. The first thing that tipped me off was that the Gauna attacked after 100 years of peace. It makes a big difference to know that Isayama was inspired by Nihei. I do think AoT handles character death better, though. If a story follows a soldier, the audience should really feel it when the soldier's comrades die. Obvious death flags and killing nameless characters don't work well towards that goal. Although at this point I think the core casts of both shows/manga feel "safe", for the most part. |
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Director-Beck
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That does make sense! Though, I don't recall if food is STILL an issue on Sidonia spoiler[They mostly developed photosynthesis to better prepare themselves for rapid repopulation after Ochiai fucked up] But I suppose she got there the same way all the fish did? Haha. I will give that too you up to a point, after a while though it felt like AoT was just trying to shock the viewers with deaths, rather than having them be meaningful events. I'd say after episode 5 or 6 I started to just shrug off anyone who got introduced. But then again that's just me. |
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SynergyMan
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The English, Japanese and Korean versions of Kurokami weren't dubs. They were recorded to pencil tests before the animation was 100% done. Also, you may not know this, but almost no anime has good Japanese lip syncing(or any lip syncing), due to the misconception that proper lip syncing takes a long time to do. If anything, the majority of modern dubs have better matching(not acting, but matching) than the Japanese versions, because the Japanese stupidly think that lip syncing isn't important. Also, Gundam Unicorn was done the same way, yet its English version is awesome and has better mouth matching than the Japanese version, with almost no awkward pauses. A grade stuff. |
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Good Morning Afternoon Day Evening Night Everybuddy reading this. I just spent the past hour reading the review and everyone's comments/posts. First time creating a ANN account, and I should sooooo be sleeping right now... I finished Knights of Sidonia in three sittings earlier today in under 14hours, two episodes then the next seven then the last three.
Anyway... I enjoyed everybuddies post as well as the review. And figure I give some of my thoughts on what some of you were going back and forth about when it comes to references/similiarities, & I just enjoy 'throwing more flamible objects into the fire'. When it comes to MY THOUGHT PROCESS, in the Neon Genesis Evangelion area / Knights of Sidonia area...The gauna being killed by a specific spear like weapon(think it was a three letter word that started with E) = Lucifer(the one with the seven eye 'face') that was impelled by the lance of longinus(may have mis spelled this word). So yeah... while watching KoS, and seeing the gauna get killed by a specific only spear/material, made me think of lucifer being impelled by the lance of longinus in NGE. As for the part of the garde units clasping up together, and going faster than anyone unit. I thought of it this way... 4 horse power goes 4 speed and 256 horse power goes 256 speed. For some reason, even in real life, put all those 256 horses together, they move a whole lot faster and cover more distance than the sqaud of 4 horses. Then again, this is my thought process of reading all your posts at one in the morning, and like the others 'having somthing to do', I have sleep to do. I figure I finally create an Anime News Network account and post my first post at this odd hour, on an anime series (currently 12 episodes) that I just watched, and enjoyed. Sure the cg/character movements were a bit gitty, but when it comes to telling characters apart, did ANYBUDDY ELSE NOTICE THOSE NAME TAGS WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS? Sure, if the hair could not help, or the outfit, or the face, or the body, that little detail of a badge, helped me tell some characters apart from others. And I loved the wear and tear detail to outfits/structures/gardes. & random, I had a lol moment when Nagate face got 'elbowed/punched' in the dark. All and all, thanks for this experience, hope you enjoyed my read, my first post, won't be my last, and I did not create a username/nickname yet, cause I wanted to post this post first. |
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EnigmaticSky
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I have to disagree with you on the visuals. I think the semi-3D thing that they have going on looks awkward as all hell. I don't know how people can say the Sailor Moon transformation thing looks bad while saying this looks good. I don't think it looks flat out terrible, or maybe even bad, but I do feel it's at least a bit off-putting.
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EyeOfPain
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spoiler[The Angel inside Terminal Dogma is Lilith, not Lucifer. I don't think there was even an Angel named "Lucifer" in Evangelion.] The spear in Sidonia is a Kabizashi, and the Gauna are surrounded by Ena.
I think it's partially expectations. Sidonia is always CG, so you either get used to it after a couple episodes, or you don't. SMC is mostly flat animation, and then the transformation scene starts up, and it's a piece of janky 3D, when it should really be the highlight of the episode as far as animation goes. |
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sunflower
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You're quite correct about this. They could move further, albeit more slowly because they had so much more fuel. But they could not move faster if all suits were the same. I thought Theron's review was quite correct. Here's where I disagree with him. In my eyes, most all mecha series are alike when it comes to basic details. What sets them apart (story-wise) are the details of the world around the characters, how well you can believe it and immerse yourself into it, and the skill with which it's brought to life. For me, KoS did this masterfully, to where I considered this hard SF more than mecha because the good parts overshadowed any derivative elements in my mind. The only false note to me was the bit above. So I'd give the story a B+. |
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