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NEWS: ADV Announces April/May Releases


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LydiaDianne



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:05 pm Reply with quote
Zalis116 wrote:


EDIT: @LordRyo -- ADV will most likely do an artbox release with volume 2, which they've been doing for most of their series in the last year and a half. So no need to have fears about rebuying a vol.1 special edition.


Zalis is correct. The reason why they do that is to see how well it sells. If the first dvd does well, then then they'll invest the money for putting out an art box. Art boxes are expensive. Why put one out with the first dvd if the series is a flop?
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Like GATSU, I can think of several examples of much greater release windows, like 10 years with Marmalade Boy, 9 years for Kodocha, 8 years for To Heart, 6 years for Boys Be, etc. Granted, none of those have had the widespread anticipation that Gurren-Lagann's enjoyed. But I don't like the idea that this release scheduling (and licensing) is a zero-sum game, i.e.


Honestly I think it is funny that people bring up things they waited for in the past like it is relevant to this particular situation or like I have never waited years for something. There are some things I am not sure are ever going to come to the US (anime and otherwise). The reason I am upset about Gurren Lagann in particular is I expected it to come out on a certain date and now there is no news when we keep hearing about other series. I am not trying to say the sky is falling or my life is over because I can't get my Gurren Lagann DVD, I just feel better venting.

Anyways maybe people today have a a more "need it now" mentality. But that is because the world is different now. A big reason for this is the Internet. We are a global world and people know about things the same day no matter what country you are in. Companies are only hurting themselves by not adapting to this change. Instead of saying the customer should just wait, the companies should try to please the customers. Usually pleasing your customers is how you make sales.

To give an analogy just look at the work place. Before E-mail people didn't expect to have their issues addressed right away. Now if you go a day with out answering an inquiry you will get another E-mail.



GATSU wrote:
Those other releases give ADV a financial incentive to put GL on R1 dvd.


Although I can't predict what is going to happen with sales I wouldn't be surprised if it is the other way around. But I am not saying Gurren Lagann is more important or better than those other series. It is just more important to me.


I also don't see why people have to keep arguing over whether Gurren Lagann is going to sell well. Of course I hope it sells well but all I can do is buy the series. That is not going to affect what everyone else does.


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geishageek wrote:
Shattered Angels? I don't know how I like that. I thought they were just going to call it Kyoshiro? Well at least it finally has a date. It will look pretty next to my Kannazuki set!

And name it after that loser... Razz j/k I suppose he redeemed himself a little near the end... Although, it is a bit awkward how the relationship would continue...
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I'm also not sure where anyone gets the idea that Haruhi is disappointing. It's true I haven't caught it yet, either, other than all those Youtube dance-offs; nor do I plan to do so in the future. But I can't imagine Kadokawa would continue to do business with Bandai Entertainment if the series was a failure here. True, it was popular with otakus, but what's probably kept it from failing is that it's not an otaku-centric title. That is, anyone can watch it and enjoy it, not just people who whack off to dating sims. I know that's a hard concept to swallow nowadays, but that was what anime was like once. Rolling Eyes
Aside from the snide comment on dating sims (which I haven't actually played but I've enjoyed several anime based on them) you're on the right track GATSU, mostly. As others have mentioned, Haruhi's sales numbers were above average for an anime series but below Kadokawa's expectations. I think this likely had something to do with many fans overemphasizing the anachronistic broadcast order when, really, the show is good without that gimmick. (At least in my opinion.)

Plus, I think everyone is overestimating Internet free-fandom vs. Real world sales fandom. People will follow something religiously as long as it's free. When it comes time to pay, they jump ship. (Heck, that's not just with anime, look at Howard Stern. How many listeners did he lose going to pay to hear? Or Snakes on a Plane. If everyone who got behind that meme had gone to see the movie, it would have brought in considerably more money.)

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So what part of that isn't true?
The part where it's destroying anime. If anything is destroying anime it's anime "fans" who aren't willing to shell out a little green. At least Japanese otaku buy moe consistently.

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You're happy, because you can't tell them apart, and don't care either way. Rolling Eyes
Must we fight among ourselves over subjective opinions that would require divine intervention to prove one way or the other? Come on GATSU, I'm sure there's some anime or other entertainment property you like that others hate.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:41 pm Reply with quote
LydiaDianne wrote:
Zalis116 wrote:
EDIT: @LordRyo -- ADV will most likely do an artbox release with volume 2, which they've been doing for most of their series in the last year and a half. So no need to have fears about rebuying a vol.1 special edition.
Zalis is correct. The reason why they do that is to see how well it sells. If the first dvd does well, then then they'll invest the money for putting out an art box. Art boxes are expensive. Why put one out with the first dvd if the series is a flop?
I believe it's planned to have an artbox or not before the series starts releasing. I'm pretty sure I saw a Vol.2+Box solicitation before this delay mess started, so I'm assuming they'll still do that once they get things sorted out. But AFAIK the move of artboxes to V2 isn't related to sales of disc 1 -- it's intended to give people a chance to try out a series for a lower cost while still being able to get the artbox later if you want it. With V1+Artboxes, the "casual" consumer sees 2 versions on the shelf, one for $25, one for $35. If it's a series he or she is unsure about, it's hard to justify spending that extra $10. But if that consumer buys the disc 1 only release, they'd have to rebuy it later if they want to have that artbox. (I've done that with several of my oldest purchases, like Full Metal Panic, Last Exile, and His & Her Circumstances.) Shifting the box to disc 2 eliminates that problem, since it allows the low-cost tryout and capitalizes on people's tendencies to buy fancy collectors' items for series they already like (enough to buy 2 volumes of, anyway).
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Embarassed Zalis, that's what I was thinking of. You just said it a hell of a lot better than I did.

I need to take ginko or something...
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As others have mentioned, Haruhi's sales numbers were above average for an anime series but below Kadokawa's expectations.


It probably did as well as a new series riding the tail end of the anime boom could be expected to do in the current market. If Kadokawa wanted it to be bigger, they shouldn't have taken a year to shop it around after it'd been Youtubed to death. As it is, though, being able to overstock copies at Best Buy nowadays is a privilege; so I think they must be doing well enough to not be complaining. They might not get that kind of profit with Lucky Star, though, since that falls back under the "too otaku-friendly for the rest of us" dilemma.

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The part where it's destroying anime. If anything is destroying anime it's anime "fans" who aren't willing to shell out a little green.


I'm willing to pay for a show which interests me. However, the Japanese side is presently doing its damnedest to make its anime as niche as possible.

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At least Japanese otaku buy moe consistently.


That's because they're too stupid to get porn for free on the Internet like the rest of us.

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Come on GATSU, I'm sure there's some anime or other entertainment property you like that others hate.


Well, I will admit I like Go Nagai. But the difference between his anime and moe anime is that it's dumb fun, not retarded fun.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:06 am Reply with quote
This is good. I plan on picking up a few of these releases. I'm waiting for GL, but I realize they are trying their best to get it solicited again so I'm not going to complain or anything of the sort.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:22 am Reply with quote
Zalis116 wrote:
maidenoftheredhand wrote:
I don't think people who actually want to spend money on the DVD should be given a hard time. People get upset when they are looking forward to something and their hopes are dashed. It's as simple as that.
I'm not trying to give those people a hard time; obviously I'm glad they want to put down money for TTGL or whatever series, but I just don't understand the "I want it yesterday" mentality. Right now I'm watching a series called Eden's Bowy, which aired in 1999-2000 and has a 2003 copyright on the DVD. And I can't find any indication that that was considered a disastrously long wait time back then. Yeah I know it's not 2003 anymore, but looking at things from a long-term perspective, average release windows have dropped considerably over the past 5 years. And yet it's still not fast enough in some cases.
Calvin and Hobbes said it even back in the 1980's, we live in a world where the five minute meal takes five minutes too long to make, no one has paitence anymore and I think the idea that having the money gives you the right to dictate all terms has been fostered by ad campagins for decades... I also think it is slightly different when a company promises a release date then fails to deliver without giving a reason why...

Personally even if they gave a false reason I think most people would eat it up and be happy, but giving no reason leaves too much speculation room and makes people demand things today in case they are not around tomorrow, and this is not just about ADV but also about Geneon's recent demise with so many questions left about their titles, all of which was right before this ADV debacle began further fueling the get it today for it might not be here tomorrow fear.
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Well, I will admit I like Go Nagai. But the difference between his anime and moe anime is that it's dumb fun, not retarded fun.


It's a sad day if enjoying Go Nagai is now a black mark in general anime fandom! Away from the 'Gurren Lagan' talk, a 'Cutey Honey/Kekko Kamen' twin pack for $25 is terrific. 'Cutey Honey' is a fun show and an old fan favorite. Think of 'Witchblade' dialed-in a good bit lighter in tone, and if it had the good sense to stay with over-the-top action and camp rather then focusing on stilted emotional subplots. 'Kekko Kamen', a raunchy parody comedy, is a bit of a lesser light, and has aged a little coarsely, but its still fun in a way a lot of shows aren't anymore.

GATSU's correct in stating there's a different 'vibe' in this type of work then a lot of current Moe/fan-service shows. The emphasis is on campy/ridiculous fun, as opposed to the "Are you a socially bitter otaku who's both frustrated at and scared of women?--Well here's something for you!" currents you come across on occasion in certain quarters.

Also, if anyones a fan of 'screwball' anime comedies ('Excel Saga', 'Ninja Nonsense', etc.), $45 for the complete 'Nerima Daikon Brothers' is a pretty good purchase. It's not perhaps on the top tier of anime comedies, and it sputters down the stretch a bit, but it's certainly worth your time at that price if you haven't checked it out yet.
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