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britannicamoore
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Goodpenguin-
Actually I would. My friends pretty much understand how to read for themseleves. They've thought alot of the stuff I was reading was questionable, but then they would pick it up. Two of them are yuri/yaoi fans that because of it. And I mean the Nc-17 types. lol. My um. My other "friend" (i'll just call him that, I wouldn't know how else to describe him in pc-terms) actually enjoys the series. I told him I was pissed the manga didn't make it over, and he read the series. He thinks its no worse then some of the stuff from Negima which involes a young boy instead of a young girl. As for my family, well. They hate all anime stuff and call it porn anyway, or, its cartoons so i'm too old for it; so, there'd be no way to show them. I doubt i'm alone. I'm comfortable in what I like and I've read enough of the story to know otherwise. Book covers can be misleading. If peoeple think otherwise about the story and they haven't read it themselves sucks to be them. They're missing out. As for the topic, good. It needed more episodes. I'm glad to hear it. Maybe the show itself could make it, since its not as bad as the manga (to me anyway) |
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Craeyst Raygal
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You know, I have no issue whatsoever with the story Kodomo no Jikan presents. I even think it's a story worth telling.
In fact, I'm not even offended by the sexual jokes and innuendo. I think they have the potential to be absolutely hilarious. My only question is why couldn't this story have been told with, say, Rin as a college freshman and the teacher as her history professor? In that context, and with character designs more along the lines of Kawamoto circa GoldenBoy, I think that Kodomo no Jikan/Nymphet probably would not only have not been controversial, but probably would be a highly recommended title. Does anyone agree with me there? |
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britannicamoore
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Craeyst Raygal
I think its better with her younger. You always see corruption mostly from a adult view, but to see it at such a young age in a child only makes the story that much more heartbreaking. You know something is wrong with her family life just by her knowing about the things she doing. As for student teacher relationships- i thnk people would judge it negatively even f she were older, with all the teacher/student scandal issues going on today. Also, people would probably just think of her as a slut. If it was a boy doing the same things, people wouldn't think anything of it. So, by having her younger it only troubles instead of making her look like a hoe. I don't claim to know the age of every freshmen in college, or the age of conset in every state but i'm sure she'd still be underage. I like KnJ just the way it is. |
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Goodpenguin
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britannicamoore wrote:
Britannica, just to clarify I'm more or less referring to family/friends who aren't enured to anime/manga's sometimes libertine 'anything goes' attitude to sex. I'm certain that fans used to the in's and out's of the anime/mangra genre would be inclined to over-look certain aspects of 'KnJ' much more easily then the public at large, I should have clarified that previous end-line more. Also to add to that, I was aiming that statement more at the currents of a specific defense from the previous related threads, when a certain segment would argue very passionately that it was perfectly fine to sexualize very young girls, (this was normal, it's natural to like cute, controllable things, etc.) and that people who found it awfully questionable to present such material in a raunchy, ecchi manner were just Puritan squares with no real point of their own. My point was for how passionately that line was argued, I seriously doubt many people are going to present those types of arguments to their (non-anime fan) Mother, neighbor, co-worker, etc., and that's usually indicative that a position is no where near as 'normal' as it's being presented. In general, to deal more with what's in this particular thread, I'll reach back to something I've said before, and that's that there is a difference between a healthy liberal (in the classic, not left-political, sense) attitude and a libertine one. The sentiment 'Don't judge a book by it's cover' is a fine and true one, but that's not a blanket cover which prevents critical evaluation. I personally read through a big chunk of the manga when the issue first came up, and watched a bit of the series, and I think it's a pretty obvious reality (especially in the manga) that 'KnJ' is not a serious look at a young girls emotional state and her troubling behavior, but a standard ecchi-romp with some usual dramatical undertones that clearly looks to capitalize on Japans niche underage-attraction market. Craeyst Raygal
While I'm not sure there is really anything that's of great dramatic merit in the general story, easily the same sex-comedy tale set with a confused college student instead of a nine-year old (complete with splash panels of barely-clothed 3rd graders in suggestive positions) wouldn't make a stir. |
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Anymouse
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babbo
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wow... I'd say I'm surprised but that would be one big fat lie >.>
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Mohawk52
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Problem is, in general, we're all tarred with the same brush, aren't we? Like Britannicamoore's family have done.
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Can you provide any evidence that this is happening at all? The only place I see people endlessly arguing in favor of things like moral relativism are anime forums, which can easily be attributed to adolescent selfishness. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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I don't think the problem is so much the characters' ages, but rather that they frequently appear in sexually provacative poses. The story would lose something if Rin were an adult or even an older teen, but there's no morally justafiable reason to have her posed in lingerie or in a state of undress more often than is necessary to establish her character as one who is sexually aware.
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yrustupid
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It tells you that around certain family and friends you can't be entirely honest and truthful with what you believe for fear of what they will think of you. For that same reason I don't tell my Catholic family that I am actually Athiest and a Secular Humanist. I just go along with being Catholic and faking it and not saying or speaking out for what I truly believe to make my relationship with those people easier and so they won't judge me (probably unfairly). I can't think of a great term to describe it at the moment, so I will say it is "social pressure". And, "social pressure" like this is hard to overcome. It is hard to when, something is being criticized negatively and given the option to like or dislike the something, to take the stance on liking the something. |
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Anymouse
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This was controversial in the past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chijin_no_Ai#Controversy It would not bat an eyelash now. I will also point out that the far east and the entirety of europe have subreplacement birthrates. You yourself are a liberal, and have read in the history books attitudes towards women change in the US, where I live as well. |
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Richard J.
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All I was saying was that despite the fact that anime fans frequently talk about how much they want to see some series licensed, I doubt there are enough willing to actually put their money where there mouth is to license anything, with the possible exception of a series that's licensing cost is equal to the change in someone's couch. I was trying to attack the cheap-skate mentality many fans seem to have lately. Also, while elections are certainly important, I think those millions upon millions could be better put to use being spent on developing cures for diseases or building more industry (to create jobs) or a myriad of other projects rather than funding ads where each candidate tries to explain to us why they are so much better than the others. There's really no need for these huge media blitzes every time a new election roles around. I mean, really, do campaign ads honestly tell us who's going to be the best President of the United States? |
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Moomintroll
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I don't really understand what point you're making with this? Birthrates generally fall in prosperous nations with low infant mortality rates but that doesn't really have anything to do with "traditional morality". |
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hentai4me
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Indeed, more to do with 'traditional mortality' |
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Jackmace Ryo
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After reading a few volumes of Kodomo No Jikan, I have to admit it isn't as bad as I thought. I even liked SOME aspect of it (I always like stories about teachers). As a whole, I loathe it though. While it is true that 'Don't judge a book by its cover', one must think 'Why is the cover like that in the first place?'. My point is, while KnJ does have some interesting points which could make good, although controversial, topics (There's many, MANY more lolicon stuff which cannot be said to bring interesting topics)... personally I think what it tries more is to capitalize on the lolicon community by the (personally) UNACCEPTABLE use of fanservice (not to mention the doll-like character design).
IMO, the story, which point of interest is spoiler[a grade schooler's infatuation to its teacher (which is a normal person)] would not suffer if spoiler[two particular character's knowledge about sex is almost nonexistant]. In fact, what does the story benefits from make them otherwise, rather to attract more readers? In summary, I would've respected this series rather than loathe it and even maybe liked it if : spoiler[ -Most important, Rin and Kuro's knowledge about sex should be the same as an average kid their age, if not just a bit higher. Not like some sexmaniac who knows fetishes that even normal adults don't know. -No useless fanservice is used -Character designs are realistic enough, especially on the kids' side. I think there are some more, but this is the most annoying issues about this thing... ] A story could be controversial, yet proves to have a good storytelling and avoids reader-attracter 'traps'. I think the best example of this is Koi Kaze. What do you think people would think of it if it implements said elements like Kodomo no Jikan? *shudder* |
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