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Pokenatic
Joined: 24 Jan 2012
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Location: Neo Venezia
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:02 pm
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Good.
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AiddonValentine
Joined: 07 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:06 pm
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Good for her; I am beyond sick of the idol industry pushing chasteness with their talent and denying the basic right to just be a human to women. Men admittedly do get some of it, but nowhere nearly as bad as women get it.
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Sheleigha
Joined: 09 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:11 pm
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AiddonValentine wrote: | Good for her; I am beyond sick of the idol industry pushing chasteness with their talent and denying the basic right to just be a human to women. Men admittedly do get some of it, but nowhere nearly as bad as women get it. |
Yeah it's terrible having some of these people apologize for dating/wearing a wedding ring and so forth. It sucks that the male fanbase (and in some cases, female fanbase) get super jealous and angry at them for being involved with someone romantically.
Japan already has a bad image regarding their population and the fact that there is a number of people not interested/too busy to even have a relationship. The toxicity that these stupid contracts have, do not help at all, and I'm sure can be rough on a lot of people. You can always say they can get into another business, but well, these things do pay the bills with the singing and dancing, and prevents unemployment.
I'm glad the court ruled against the agency. A very good outcome, and hopefully things will start to change.
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WashuTakahashi
Joined: 18 Mar 2015
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Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:20 pm
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I wonder if we're at the beginning of a revolution of sorts? Maybe more idols will see this and demand that such clauses be removed from their contracts. Would be a nice change to see. But on the flip side, I hope they don't get to American levels, where every single time anyone of the opposite sex even hangs out "_ is dating _, read all about it here!"
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Ulinox
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:27 pm
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No, this is not right!! When you sign a contract, it is binding! She broke the law!
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azabaro
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:31 pm
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Ulinox wrote: | No, this is not right!! When you sign a contract, it is binding! She broke the law! |
Contracts are generally held to have limits in terms of what they can demand; for example, my understanding is that in the US no contract can obligate you to break the law (I'm not sure there are many countries in which such a contract term would be held as binding). In this case the judge has simply ruled that the contract's term against dating is non-binding and unenforceable, because it significantly infringes on her rights.
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Hoppy800
Joined: 09 Aug 2013
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:32 pm
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This is great news, these tyrants don't deserve a single yen from her, they are the reason we even have issues like this, it's time for the agency to be accountable for their terrible contracts that violate human rights and the Japanese constitution and maybe they'll abolish them in the future and hopefully others follow and they won't lose money like this and we wouldn't have cases like this either.
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AiddonValentine
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:35 pm
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Ulinox wrote: | No, this is not right!! When you sign a contract, it is binding! She broke the law! |
I hope this is being ironic because the contract itself was pretty much trash as ruled by the court.
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falcon.punch
Joined: 07 Jan 2015
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:42 pm
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What a surprise... I didn't expect this after the other Idol problem.
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louis6578
Joined: 31 Jul 2013
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:51 pm
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Honestly, what's the point of looking cute and singing for a large crowd if you're legally forbidden from finding love? It's pointless. I hope she doesn't get into trouble for following her heart.
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mgosdin
Joined: 17 Jul 2011
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:02 pm
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Ulinox wrote: | No, this is not right!! When you sign a contract, it is binding! She broke the law! |
Typically a contract that contains a clause that is in violation of established law will be held to be of no effect in regards to that specific clause. So, If the court rules that the "No Romance" clause violates the right to pursue happiness the clause is voided.
Would be interesting if the Japanese equivalent of a supreme court were to rule on this, typically that would invalidate all such contract clauses.
Mark Gosdin
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MagusGuardian
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:05 pm
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what the hell kind of stupidity is that? so she wants to date a guy she likes what's wrong with that, how stupid is that to have a no dating clause in a contract what next they're not allowed to eat or drink certain brands because they're not sponsors?
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Xavi_
Joined: 19 Jan 2015
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Location: Spain
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:14 pm
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Is this inconsistency (in ruling) a good or a bad symptom about Japanese law-making? When two judges from the same court come to two opposite conclusions I interpret that as a big flaw in the system. Or is this a common occurrence?
At any rate, I am one of those sadistic mother&"$%s: if the wannabe idols don't want to get chastised they are free not to sign the contract and move on with their lives. Personally I find it repulsive, but whether the contract is binding or not is up to Japan to decide, not to forum dwellers.
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omegaproxy
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:15 pm
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This whole thing is stupid but funny.
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:29 pm
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Ulinox wrote: | No, this is not right!! When you sign a contract, it is binding! She broke the law! |
That is only true only when the contract itself isn't breaking the law. There's such a thing as abusive clauses. If I convince you to sign a contract saying that you are my personal slave, I won't actually be able to enforce it legally.
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