Forum - View topicInconsistent Moderating
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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I just banned him for 2 months. That isn't OK. |
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jl07045
Posts: 1527 Location: Riga, Latvia |
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All I see here is a dumb hyperbole. Nothing that could have a place in an adult discussion, but also imo not a reason for a ban unless constantly and aggressively used. But, oh well, enjoy your summer dragon!
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Keonyn
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Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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That was my bad. Apparently I must have been tired that night or something because I did see that thread and even warned him, but somehow missed the vulgar language as well.
Why not? Neither Zac or I or any mod are going to be able to read every thread ever written every day. Obviously if something is reported that will make sure a mod looks at it, but even then it's not always going to be Zac or any other specific mod, but rather whichever mod gets the report. Plus, this isn't a matter of "jurisdiction", the entire forum is our jurisdiction, we don't have specifically assigned threads. Plus, Zac doesn't even act as a forum moderator the bulk of the time, there are other staff for that. Your accusations are way out of line by somehow implying that Zac is in the wrong for moderating a problem he sees in one thread but not taking action in regards to another thread that he did not happen to see? Should we start filling out paperwork to verify we've read every single thread ever written before taking action on one just so you can be assured we're being fair? Sorry, but your expectations are ridiculous and your accusations towards Zac are way off.
Well, you'd be wrong. That's a slippery slope and should be discussed before blanket enforcement occurs. Plus, as has been clear from some peoples responses it's not as big of a deal for everyone so obviously there would be some discussion involved before we add a all encompassing solid rule based on the feedback of a few people. This forum has a reputation of being over-moderated as it is.
No, it is not the same. Plus, it is not a direct violation of the rules, as has already been mentioned. If something violates the rules it will get the same response, but whether you like it or not, some of these violations are matters of perception. Plus, the jokes were not identical as I have already mentioned. dtm42 expressed apathy, while Polycell outright expressed a desire to see someone dragged out and beaten. Plus Polycell chose to aggrevate the situation after Zac told him to knock it off in a fashion that was just as much as a "finger-waving" as I apparently gave dtm42. Had dtm42 responded to me in a similar fashion I may well have taken more severe action. But, while we're accusing people I have to ask; if it wasn't dtm42 that had posted would you have noticed or cared?
And yet that is still a judgement call of your own, much like those you're accusing us of making.
Personally, I don't see the two comments as the same. Plus, as I said, Zac's initial response wasn't that much different from my own with dtm42 and would have been left at that if Polycell hadn't commented again. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Huh. I could have sworn I'd checked them all. I can understand you reporting the first one with the fake headline, but I thought I was fairly polite to other users and pretty-much on-topic for the rest of that thread. Just saying. |
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superdry
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You missed the vulgar language, but I think you did your job to make sure things weren't going to be derailed in that thread...you gave a warning. And, nothing happened after the warning - which is perfectly fine by me. I agree with your point about moderation if someone doesn't antagonise the situation even further after a warning. I do have to say that the moderators here (including Zac) have done a perfectly fine job since I joined the community. A little things here and there, but those were taken care of promptly. No complaints on my end regarding the job you guys do when you can. |
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Rhyono
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I've owned many websites and a few of them had forums. My active users were far lower than ANN's and ANN has only about 2-3 times the moderators and admins I had.
My biggest site probably only had about 100,000 posts; ANN has 21 times that. I (and my moderators) did not have time to read every single post. It would take hours each day to attempt that, and I simply did not have the desire for reading things that mostly did not pertain to me. I had other things to do in a day; among them were work and school. As far as I know: none of ANN's admins or mods are hired to moderate full time. Just about everyone falls into a few distinct groups:
I won't say which group most of the people that are complaining in this thread fall into, but I believe you'll be able to discern it for yourselves. A mod and admin chose to respond to this thread and I'm sure their time could have been better spent doing other things (including moderating) than trying to explain themselves. |
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Blood-
Bargain Hunter
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Gee, thanks White Knight for your incredibly useful intervention. We are all richer for it. The difference between a professional, well-run site like ANN and any of the sites run by somebody like you, is that fortunately, the admins/mods here understand that a dialogue between the users - i.e. the people who furnish the reason for the site's existence - and the people who run the site is essential. The issues raised in this thread were not frivolous - as evidenced by the fact that Zac decided to act on some information given. Hopefully, you are not involved in running any sites any longer because you clearly don't have the right professional attitude for it. |
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Rhyono
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I'm assuming you are hoping to get some sort of ranting or hurt response out of me. Instead: here's your most recent post:
It's rather obvious you spend most of your time attempting to get such responses out of people; I'm glad to see you distinctly fall into one of my defined groups of users. |
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Mad_Scientist
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Moderator Posts: 3011 |
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You were surely talking about the Beneficial group, right? Actually, since I believe he's a subscriber (I'm fairly certain only subscribers are allowed custom titles), even by your own stated standards he'd fall into the beneficial group. Blood- may have been a bit snarky, but he made a good point. There were some legitimate issues brought up in this thread. Though I don't know what the heck The King of Harts was going on with his "why isn't it your jurisdiction Zac?" post. Regardless, I am very glad Zac and Keonyn took the time to actually read the posts and consider the points being raised, rather than just ignore everything because there was a rude tone to some of the posts and they had other things to be doing. There is more to the good moderation of a forum than just editing/deleting posts. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Not that it really matters at this point but I just want to say that I understand why Polycell was a bit upset with Zac's behaviour towards them. The initial comment about wanting to beat someone within an inch of their life was the sort of violence-orientated gripe that has been said many times before on ANN with no repercussions. Being the first one to actually be strongly chastised for saying something like that wouldn't seem fair.
But far more importantly, having someone else imply that you are a sociopath would be pretty hurtful and is well outside what I'd personally consider common decency and acceptable Forum behaviour. If someone called me a sociopath I would report them, plain and simple. |
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Teriyaki Terrier
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If we are solely talking about "groups", then not only Blood- and I would fall into that group, but as would all subscribers. Mad_Scientist is quite correct in inferring only subscribers have custom title. I can attest being a subscriber myself, that information is indeed correct. However, subscribers also have green stars attached their username as well. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 7580 Location: Wales |
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None of the moderators are hired at all, they are volunteers. |
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Rhyono
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It may have been over ambiguous, but I was using "few" as in "more than one per person is possible" rather than "you must fall into one of these few." I think you understand what I'm saying, so I don't need to state it blatantly.
I know. |
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Dessa
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I've been reading this thread from the beginning, but I haven't commented yet.
I think the mods and admins on ANN do a wonderful job. To the assertion that the mods are too strict, I think they're too lenient. I've seen plenty of posts that I feel are inappropriate (either in content, in soapboxing, etc), that I've reported, and seen nothing done about. It is ridiculous, on a forum of this size, to expect the moderators to be able to read everything, unless they are assigned specific forums. The biggest thing I can recommend to anyone who is concerned, is to use the Report Post feature. You can write a quite detailed explanation for the report, and if you're really concerned, you can always ask in the report for the moderator who takes care of it to PM you with an explanation if they don't find justification for editing/removing/whatever-ing the post. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 9902 Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC |
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For example, this user had a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. |
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