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NEWS: Ken Otaku Ryu "Hating the Otaku Wave" Published in Japan

Also I have an 11-year-old-daughter who can be labelled as "average". She will react in a repulsed manor at the shear thought of baring her underdeveloped breasts even in the girls changing room at school, because of her instinctive natural embarrassment to such a thought.

I don't see what's wrong with a little lolicon stimulus. Some people (like me) just need it. It sure beats raping real kids. Others despise it because they were born and raised into a culture bound by morals, beliefs and other crap which means bull to myself, for example. As long as there were no real children hurt in the process, I'm completely fine with it.

Mohawk52 wrote:

Also I have an 11-year-old-daughter who can be labelled as "average". She will react in a repulsed manor at the shear thought of baring her underdeveloped breasts even in the girls changing room at school, because of her instinctive natural embarrassment to such a thought.

Because she is immune to the so far 11 years worth of societal and social exposure to the rules, morals and ethics of the (I presume) US?

But you are still looking at moral and cultural values instilled in her since she was born which are very different from those Japanese girls would have. I would assume that she would never step in a giant bath with a bunch of other nude girls of various ages either. However, for Japanese girls (and boys) this would be perfectly normal.

I'm not saying Nanoha was aimed at young girls. In this case, it probably WAS aimed at an adult male audience. I'm just pointing out that even an eleven year old is going to have different values based on how she was raised.

The point still remains, though. Yesterday, my niece (7 years old, 8 in a few months) came into my room and chattered away about some nonsense, wearing nothing but a pair of pants with her chest exposed. She wasn't embarrassed, and I sure as heck didn't give it much thought until I read your earlier post about right and wrong, and that a sense of embarrassment at exposing one's skin belongs to the latter category. Now admittedly you said "to the general public" but that is somewhat outside the picture in this case. People have sex in almost every single grown-up (western) movie out there. But (regular) people sure as heck don't have sex "in the general public" because of it.
Point being that the content of a movie/show cannot be seen as something akin to the general public, even though the general public may end up seeing the movie/show.

Chrno2 wrote:

LilyChan wrote: Ooh. o.o I want to get that book when and if it comes to the States. Sounds like an interesting read. Sounds like a very interesting read.

Don't get your hopes up. When you get right down to it, hate literature is seldom very interesting.

Some years back, I made the effort to read a number of "classics of the genre", including the notorious but seldom read Mein Kampf. Overall, I found these books to be dull and uninteresting, filled with half-baked argumentation and limp prose. I suspect their only real audience appeal is to people whose preexisting prejudices they feed upon.

- abunai

Abunai, you beat me to it.

I found it a bit unnerving to see so many Westerners interested in this Ken Otaku Ryu. You want to read it (some of you even find the title funny) because you are not a Korean, a Chinese (in the Chugoku Nyumon case), or an otaku. I really want to see your faces when "Ken America Ryu" or "Ken EU Ryu" get published.

Now go recite Martin Niemöller's speech.

Lolicon shows are another thing altogether. Yech. And yet if Nanoha is a lolicon show, how can one enjoy it if one isn't a pedophile? I'd really like to hear a male explain his love for these types of shows in this thread because it confuses me. If you aren't attracted to the girls, then why do you watch it? I'd really like an answer.