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ElectricDork
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Don't Japanese students attend high school until the age of 18? Just make them all third years. Or second years, if they're repeating a grade like I've seen some characters do (one girl in the game KiraKira is repeating her third year of high school and thus would already be 18 at the start of the game). Alternatively, if we're taking the cartoon = person to its logical extreme, why not say that adult cartoon people are merely playing the roles of characters under the age of 18? That way, no cartoon minor is being exploited! |
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VORTIA
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I'm sorry, are you legitimately trying to blame people who like fictional depictions of naked ten year olds for not being able to see fictional depictions of naked sixteen year olds? Mr. Pot, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Kettle. |
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Alexander55
Posts: 104 Location: Ontario, CA |
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This is the best news I've heard in the whole day. After coming back from work, I think I can work more now!
Seriously, censorship is censorship and nobody should be the thought police. No matter how much some of us disagree with something, it shouldn't be regulated if isn't hurting no-one in the first place. In this case, illustrated sexual innuendo or nudity ain't hurting anyone because there aren't any actual victims nor is it "decreasing" the "quality" of Anime/Manga/Video Games as some of you skeptics claim. Quality Anime releases have been coming out and have been consistent for over these years and personally, I don't see the "decrease" in Anime/Manga. The medium has just diversified more thanks to a growing audience. There's a little for everyone and well we'll leave it at that. You guys don't like anything that contains the slightest bit of sexual innuendo and/or nudity in an Anime/Manga. That's fine, we all have different tastes but again, if you don't like something, do what I do: Don't watch it. Its really simple as that. All you have to do is not watch and/or read it. That's it. If I don't like what I hear on the radio, I'll just change it to the next station. If I don't like a video I'm watching on Youtube, I'll just go to the next one. But that's it. I'm not going to advocate to "regulate" radio stations because of "profanity" neither am I going to be the "moral police" on Youtube because of some "stupid" content. People are entitled to their own desires and should be free to do whatever they want in their leisure time so long as they don't hurt anyone in the first place. Hopefully this bill will get revised to only regulate real CP because well, Japan needs to really regulate that. |
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0kensai0
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Interesting how so many people on here would like to have more mature characters in animes.
Personally, I think that alot of the emotion and depth that comes through in an anime comes out DUE to and not despite of the fact the characters are children. As a society we view children as pure, uncorrupted by social influences and idealistic, and a lot of animes explore these themes The fact that a 13-14 year old child experiences great tragedy and responds/evolves as a person gives the story much greater impact and, to me at least, makes me wonder what have we become as adults and did we ever think such idealistic thoughts?. (Plus, the high school romance stories, though I tend to avoid them, would probably not be the same when the characters are half way through university ) On the concept of animated pornographic material, I'm abit conflicted....personally I find the stuff abhorrent. However, objectively they are still fictional and on paper. And I do believe that we as a society are harsh, and rightly so, on criminal acts against children (or anyone). But we do not prosecute on someone's personal thoughts (which, a person watching a pornographic image of a cartoon is doing i.e. thinking). We prosecute only on reasonable cause that a person will commit a crime in person. |
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Gilles Poitras
Posts: 477 Location: Oakland California |
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Not at all. This is a censorship law. SOPA was aimed at stopping pirated and counterfeit goods. |
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animefanworried
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Like most shounen, kids can relate to Naruto because he's a 12 - 13 years old boy. Its one of the main reasons most shounen heroes nowadays are young boys, and also why most mecha series feature teen boys as leads. Series can be enjoyed on several levels, however, it always helps to have a character the target audience can easily relate to. That doesn't mean the only people watching it are teens and kids, that's certainly not the case, but it does mean there's a clear target audience they're going for in the first place. You're right though, since its been around for a while anime has an aging fanbase that follows it, but new fans in the younger generations will always be there I believe. Last edited by animefanworried on Wed May 29, 2013 6:11 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Alexander55
Posts: 104 Location: Ontario, CA |
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Well everyone has their opinions. I personally believe that the average Anime high-schooler you see in those romances are much more mature than the "grown-ups" we see in most of our cartoons. But then again, most cartoons are aimed at kids, which is something I would definitely not want to see in Japan considering they already have shows aimed at kids. Not all cartoon shows are aimed solely at kids and Pixar/Disney/Dreamwork films and some American animation tend to appeal to everyone because of their emphasis of friendship and virtue. But again, what makes Anime so unique is the way the characters interact, suspense, and odd, but quirky humor that you most definitely won't see in most of our cartoons. Which is why I'm glad that the medium remains unregulated. As for the ages of respective characters in Anime, I tend not to really care about that because so long as the show is good and fits within my interest range, I'll watch it. I don't care if they are in elementary, Middle/High School, College/University, or are Salary men/women in their part-time job, I'll watch it as long as its interesting. There's always gonna be a character you'll like and buy all sorts of merchandise of that. I know I do. In my opinion, age shouldn't really factor in the quality of animation. We have all enjoyed animation, both American and Japanese, with all sorts of characters and talking animals in them. I really don't think the age of those characters really factor in the development of an B-AAA show. |
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TitanXL
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A lot of the series that would be affected are ones for kids: Doraemon, Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Dragonball, Naruto, One Piece, Evangelion, etc. That's the thing, it's so common in Japanese media that pretty much 95% of anime would be illegal or banned if they felt like enforcing it. It affects more than just "Strike Witches" type shows which angelmcazares mentioned, it affects the very foundation of anime and most day-time TV series. Gundam included. |
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terminus24
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Real CP needs to be banned, no questions asked.
But, the law looks somewhat similar to Sweden's, in that it doesn't differentiate between real people and fake people. I remember a few years ago when Dead or Alive Dimensions was banned in Sweden for containing "pornographic depictions of underage characters," because it had a gallery mode where you could adjust the camera to character's panties. Basically, this law just won't affect anime and manga with nude underage characters, you can also say goodbye to plugsuits, random gusts of wind, those little rubber panties that come with figmas, and pretty much anything else suggestive. And yeah, this would probably affect the industry much more than you'd think. |
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Laserpewpewpew
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Well if those artists don't like it that's just TOO DAMN BAD.
Child pornography, in ANY FORM, is EVIL. |
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Actar
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Thank you very much for your sensible and logical argument. This is precisely what I would have said. Unfortunately, many conservatives in society are not able to live knowing that other people are enjoying things that they themselves find objectionable. Neither can they stand having things not go the way that they want to. Of course, this is regardless of the fact that these activities are completely harmless and in no way affect them or anyone else. Worst of all, many of them see it fit to enforce and impose their moral beliefs and values on others. |
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animefanworried
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Its because they have this idea of an ideal society that is tailored to their own tastes, so anything that goes against it must be eradicated. Some of them are more fanatical then others, they are those who believe that fiction is really EVIL because of their faith or because they actually listen when a conservative starts talking, so from their point of view, they are actually acting upon what they see as right and never realize how twisted their point of view actually is. Case in point: Laserpewpewpew's post above. |
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Angel M Cazares
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The scenario you paint is why I love series like Evangelion because they make you think and experience intense emotions. I have nothing against having 13-14 year olds in anime. But I feel uncomfortable with the idea that these young characters are used with the intention to have otakus buy materials that stimulates them sexually. I am not trying to be a moralist, but that seems wrong.
Aren't you exaggerating? This law is supposed to be about child pornography. In the series you mention (at least with the ones I am most familiar) I have not seen anything that could be construed as child pornography. I agree with a law that aims at eliminating child pornography in fiction, but I would not support any law that bans anime just because it has underage characters. Not all series have (not even 25% of anime) underage girls prancing on their underpants and touching their breasts. |
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revolutionotaku
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According to Wikipedia, Sadakazu Tanigaki, a former leader of the LPJ & Yomiuri Group Chairman Tsuneo Watanabe compares Toru Hashimoto's tactics with Benito Mussolini & Adolf Hitler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tōru_Hashimoto#Criticism_of_views |
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animefanworried
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Why is one depiction of a fictional crime more worthy of ban than another though? Why not ban gore and murder in anime as well, killing people is actually illegal, and considered to be a worse crime than abuse as well, so why not ban that from fiction too?
Most of the time, when some says "I'm not a _____, but..." it usually means they are exactly what they're trying to claim they aren't. If you feel the need to mention it, there's probably a reason. I'm not trying to be harsh (Case in point ), I'm just saying, if you don't like the stuff then know that no one is forcing you to watch it. Last edited by animefanworried on Wed May 29, 2013 7:43 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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