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quartears
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Well I understand trying to defend the small fanbase and I do agree those things are bad but of all the bad things in the world children being sexualized and or raped is something that hits us hard. Watching porn I think is a healthy thing to see two people who have sex just normal sex there is nothing wrong with that unless it's all you watch. As for the argument of watching porn, which do you want making babies or killing babies? I do tolerate fanservice because while I don't necessarily care for it it's not raping children and crossing the boundary. We want to protect our children and it is very natural to want to protect children from harm. Children are not of sexual maturity and shouldn't be treated as such. We want to protect our future and children are that future. Seeing this sort of thing automatically activates that want to protect and remind us of how we wouldn't want our child to be in a situation like that and the fact that people are doing their thing with this is on a whole other scale of crossing the boundaries. I understand people bashing violence in our film and television and they should because killing is bad, however in a lot of anime we do say it is bad and therefore it has meaning. I feel that we should do that more in everything else but seeing a fully grown man being killed doesn't really create that feeling of protection it's just in our mind, a guy being killed. Don't take my word for it because I'm just a guy with a computer, but I feel putting children in porn having sex or being raped is too far. I can take normal sex and big bad gangsters who kill innocent people dying but by having sex with a child you're not allowing the kid to grow up normally and have a good life you're ruining the future. That's why Rome had some terrible leaders like Nero. |
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Haterater
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The difference here is animated! Their not actually real children here, their "future" isn't going to mess them up because they aren't living to begin with. Its fiction, its not going to harm the people doing it.
There are films that involve subjects of child rape and the likes, they don't show it, but they talk about it. And other films involving children being killed, they tell a story. Whether you like it or not, people have a right to their their ficiton. |
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Tempest
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First it was the Edmonton Journal: animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2005-10-20 Then it was the Canadian Child Exploitation Coordination Center animenewsnetwork.com/news/2006-02-15/canadian-child-exploitation-coordination-center-misdefines-anime Jon Hayward, ANN.au's Editor in Chief, is preparing a letter to the Sunday times, which he referred to as a horrible source for news. We'll have to add them to our "gray list" (sources we check but take with an ounce of salt). -t |
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Tempest
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This is an accepted cause & effect fallacy along with "Men who watch porn will eventually rape a woman" and "teenagers who play violent videogames will eventually turn violent." Personally, I think virtual child porn is disgusting (I understand their is a gray area somewhere between "child" and "teen" since teenagers are sexual beings, and the viewers may well themselves be teens). But my feeling that virtual child porn is disgusting is just that, my personal feeling. As gross as I think child porn is, my opinion, even though it seems to be shared by the majority, is not fact. This is a completely subjective area. Whatsmore, as long as we allow virtual depictions of other disgusting acts (rape, murder, torture), why do we ban that one? It's no more wrong, but it is more disgusting, that's why. Disgust with something has never been and will never be a valid reason to restrict the rights of others. -t |
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Viga_of_stars
 Posts: 1240 Location: Washington D.C. in the Anime Atelier |
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ARRgggghghg! I hate that because of quotes like this the sterotype spreads! I remember when I said I liked anime at my old job everyone instantly thought I was a perverted girl! But people tend to just say things without research. Its really sad. Anyway on the situation at hand the guy should of known better himself. That stuff is seen as illegal in more places than not. Plus customs can be a real *****. I bet you can't even bring in an anime dvd if it has a risque cover but completely okay content. oh well. We can't stop the actions of some people but we can at least fight the sterotype starters. |
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james039
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It's important for anime to be more regularly present in the mainstream media to fight these sorts of stereotypes. Getting anime programs onto TV helps a lot, and especially the titles that aren't strictly kids shows. You can never completely fight ignorance, but at least you can make the ignorant look really stupid in the public eye, if enough people know the truth. |
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CCSYueh
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Yet in the name of art, we see a director of live action stuff tackle some of these topics to rave reviews-the child on the verge of adulthood/coming of age. There's also the grey area of teen--even though most teen flicks are acted by 20-somethings(30-somethings?), there's still the very REAL point many of the titles are portraying underage teens getting laid which is child porn in it's way since we are allegedly watching 16-17 yr-olds trying to have/having sex. Yes, most of us will agree child porn is bad & picture 8-12 yr olds, but the brush isn't that narrow in reality. |
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britannicamoore
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I agree with you Ichiro- Mjr. Galileo i disagree. That doesn't make me a pedo. Such a statement that someone who does one will obviously do the other...that makes you an idiot. |
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hikura
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I know this is harsh but if your doing something that is breaking a major law(doesn't matter if you know it is illegal or not) and you get caught you will have to pay the price.
Personally i have no problem is someone is watching or reading something like that(referring to manga or anime because it is not real and i know there is a difference between reality and fake material).Using the whole violent video game arguement with me doesn't fly.My bother,my friends and myself grew up playing violent video games and not one of us turned out to be homicidal maniacs(well yes i do agree that is has to do with our parents making sure we know it is fake and how we grew up is a factor).Yes there will be people who are influnced by what they read,watch or play but that is a small minority compared to the rest of society. |
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starcade
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He wouldn't be just fined here in the States. He'd be put in prison and made someone's b*tch... |
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Greboruri
Posts: 378 Location: QBN, NSW, Australia |
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The problem with Australia is that the religious right dictate censorship in this country. And anybody who says otherwise either doesn't live here or doesn't know what they're talking about. Brian Harradine, Steve Fielding and Fred Nile are religious right politicians who've had a negative impact on censorship in this country.
We can't have 18+ restricted games here, and companies like Siren are a having a rough time trying to have normal hentai classified by the Censorship Board (nearly all titles were refused classification - i.e. banned). Penthouse and other magazines generally won't publish pictorials of Asian women because according to the censorship board they refuse classification the magazine if they look under 18 even if the model is in her mid 20's. Geez, there was even a push to have the 1990's remake of "Lolita" banned in this country. It's nuts. See www.refused-classification.com for the absurdity that goes on here. At the moment there has been a bit of push to ban X-rated material because of the supposed harm that it does to Aboriginal communities (wow it's an election year. Howard didn't give a crap about Aboriginals in the last 10 years of his Prime Ministership). But hey lets ignore the fact that alcohol is actually the main problem and the porn which ends up in those communities is unclassified and illegal, not the legal stuff from Canberra. As for the loicon stuff, I have no idea anymore. It's not real, no children are being hurt. But still it's not really something I'd like to see widely available. |
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Richard J.
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Regardless of my views on the subjects of porn, lolicon, or whether or not Australia's government needs to focus on something more important issues, I have few sympathies for the man. If something's illegal, you don't do it.
Do I think the laws the guy broke are stupid? Sure. They are pretty pointless in my opinion as I don't believe they have enough of an impact on crime to validate the infringement upon people's rights. Does that mean he doesn't deserve his fine? Nope, sorry, you do the crime you pay the penalty. I wish the moron news people would start doing some research though. (Anime is porn? Couldn't they at least read the Wikipedia on anime or something before they report crap like that?) Since the issue of lolicon's been brought up for the upteenth time, I'll throw my voice in as a supporter of the idea that fiction is fiction. If no real people were harmed or involved then I have trouble seeing the problem. I hate rapists and child molestors with a passion, but I don't believe that getting rid of fictional depictions of rape or child sex would have any impact of note on the number of criminals in society. The problem is inside the individual's head. Can a criminal get an idea from watching a TV show, a movie, or reading something? Yes. Do they commit their crime because they watched a TV show, a movie, or read something? In the overwhelming majority of cases, no. In the few cases where a person commited a crime as a direct result of media influence, they were already psychologically screwed up. In any case, it's still the mind of the criminal that's at issue. (In other words, I lean toward early intervention when warning signs appear rather than waiting for people to commit crimes.) |
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Berserkfury819
 Posts: 229 Location: Detroit Mi. Spider-Man is dead. R.I.P. |
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I see the words "tolerance" and "biggot" getting thrown around a lot here, and I don't think they are being used properly. I believe in tolerance, but there is such a thing as going too far. If we accept animated child porn, how long until we accept the real thing? I think its important for a country to have values, and I dont think its fair that people just toss the word biggot around just because someone disagrees with them. I don't accept child pornography in any form, and that makes me a biggot? Please. Being open minded is one thing, having no sense of morality is quite another.
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britannicamoore
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We except violent movies with grotesque killings, violent games where people shoot of others heads, kill people with chainsaws...etc...how long before everyone starts doing that to have a good time? Teen A: Let's go rape and kill Mr. Drexler! Teen B: Sure thing- that sounds like fun! We can use the blood to paint in art class. Oh wait...only deranged individuals would brutally murder someone. Sometimes I forget some people can restrain (have common sense) themselves from killing someone and dismembering the corpse. The real thing would never be accepted. But a substitute that doesn't hurt anyone except the occassional paper cut- I think thats fine. As for the dude who got caught- sucks to be him. He shouldn't have taken it into the country. |
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Berserkfury819
Posts: 229 Location: Detroit Mi. Spider-Man is dead. R.I.P. |
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So what? We can't have a bit of common decency anymore? We should just except what anyone else says or does? Sad.
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