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INTEREST: U.S. State Department Includes Japan's 'Unfettered' Access to Animated Porn in Human Right


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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:07 pm Reply with quote
animefanworried wrote:
So? I'm okay with anime not being mainstream: We have access to every show as they air online and almost half of them are released and even dubbed. We don't need a big Hollywood-like push to get anime mainstream and have titles suddenly being censored to better "respect American culture".


If you want it to stay niche, that's perfectly fine with me. But then you have people who wonder why anime got a surge of mainstream popularity in the 90's and never again or complain about financial difficulties these companies have when the answer is just that obvious.

Anime is niche in Japan too though, and for similar reasons it's niche elsewhere.

But my original point, which I guess got lost (and I admit I did that accidentally), is that of all the hobbies I have, anime and manga are the only ones that I cannot discuss freely with non-fans.

YamiWheeler wrote:
leafy sea dragon wrote:
Depends on the household. Since you're depicting a rather extreme scenario

Yes, it does indeed depend on the household, but I'm failing to see what part of his scenario is so extreme. Let's break it down:

- I'm not sure if the 12-year old bit is an exaggeration, but popular fashion dictates risque clothing for tween and teenage girls (and also paints unrealistic expectations, but that's a different argument).
- iTunes is a popular platform for downloading music, and a lot of popular music in the U.S. does in fact revolve around encouraging and glorifying promiscuity and drinking. That's a fact.
- Weed and drinking among teenagers has always been popular and still is.
- The internet is everything, and with Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Vine, and Twitter being so prevalent among youngsters, of course teenagers will want laptops and iPhones, the use of which can't always be restricted, esp. with the latter.
- The Kardashians are popular and role models, as sad as it is, it's just a fact.

Overall, there's very little extremes in his scenario, in my opinion. Yours, on the other hand, does very much seem to be on an extreme end of the spectrum. Not denying that there could be people like that out there, but I doubt it's anywhere near as common as the above, and even then, what percentage of those people defy their parents and do the above things in secret anyway?


The ones I have actually encountered rarely do, at least until they reach college, and even then, the ones I met there tend to continue to be ultra-submissive, quiet, and keep strictly to themselves. When you're raised in an environment like that, your parents and your studying kind of become all you know.

The traits you're listing are of those who are loud, or at least behave loudly, and attract attention. Those would be the ones you see a lot and so you could perceive them as being more numerous than they actually are. It's a lot like those people who blast gangsta rap out of their cars: There aren't really that many, but you'll know one is around every time you're near one and they can seem like they're everywhere.

Most teenage girls I notice in public are just wearing T-shirts and long pants; the ones with provocative clothing are the ones who stand out. The majority of teenagers will try drinking and a smaller but significant amount will try smoking pot but only out of curiosity and won't make habits of them. While the Internet HAS pretty much become the alpha and omega to most teenagers, they're used for a variety of different purposes and will be fine-tuned to meet their needs. And I stopped hearing about the Kardashians outside of supermarket tabloids for a few years now. (Now, it's all about Katy Perry.) And these are four different and unrelated traits; a teenager can embody all four of them, or they can embody none of them.

Jose Cruz wrote:
Hence: The US government should distribute child pornography in the form of manga as medication for pedophiles. Since these people don't choose to be into kids, then drawn/fictional kids are the way they can get off without harming anybody else. Hence, a society where pedophile manga is allowed is strictly better than one where it is not.

In the West pedophiles are chemically castrated under the law. Too bad for then, its a punishment for being born that way?


According to the Cracked article, the other part of the problem is that the United States government (and its culture) does not recognize pedophilia as a mental illness, but as some sort of spiritual evil that lurks within people, and that those with this evil must repress it completely or be punished for it.

It is a lot like past attitudes towards homosexuality. Which provides a ray of hope, considering that attitudes have progressed greatly towards tolerance of homosexuality. (Of course, a key difference here is that sexually advancing onto children is quite harmful whereas sexually advancing onto an adult of the same sex is not, at least as long as the other person consents.)

Now I'm thinking about how a lot of harlequin romances are rape fantasies, and American society knows it doesn't represent reality and isn't reading material for rapists.
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Kikaioh



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:36 pm Reply with quote
Jose Cruz wrote:
Japanese culture is more advanced than Western culture in many ways. One of these superior elements is the development of pedophile porn without actually harming any children. The US government shouldn't try to prosecute cultures that are different but learn from then, specially in this case when the cultural difference when a foreign cultural element is superior and should be mimicked instead of demonized.


You think it's superior how Japan allows for Junior Idol meet-and-greets where adult male strangers can pay to "play" with little girls?

Also regarding that Cracked article, they didn't state that pedophila is an "orientation", all they explained was that the brain matter of adult pedophiles had differences from non-pedophiles in ways that suggest a possible miswiring of triggers for sexual arousal. That doesn't necessarily mean that pedophilia is the result of inherent genetic predisposition, and to my knowledge The American Psychiatric Association currently classifies it as a mental disorder (not an orientation) due to evidence pointing to pedophilia being an emerging identification caused by social factors prior to and during puberty (if it were a sexual orientation, you would think women would account for more of a substantial makeup of the demographic). Unless some other science points otherwise, afaik it isn't yet seen as a sexual orientation.
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TheFullmetalOne



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:23 pm Reply with quote
mgosdin wrote:
<sigh> Pot, Kettle, here we go again. <sigh>

Mark Gosdin


A bit of a dated saying, but I agree. Anime dazed
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StarfighterPegasus



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:47 am Reply with quote
I have to say Japan does have a problem, and America does not have the right to be telling them how to live.

Mangagamer got into this hot seat four or 6 years ago about a loli sex scene. Their response was shocking. "We understand and the ultimate responsibility lies with the consumer.

Meaning just like a gun it is not the gun shop who is liable its the gun owner the gun can't fire itself, if your dumb enough to lead a loaded, unlocked rifle out in the open when your kids come home from school it falls unto your shoulders when someone gets shot.

Same applies to Loli and Shotacon if you can't keep that book in a locked trunk or up high out of a child's reach its your fault not the publishers. we are 18+ we are old enough to read Child's time, we are old enough to see Deadpool we are old enough to play GTA5, yet we are treated like children.
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:09 am Reply with quote
Ahem @US State Department:
People who live in glass houses, should not be throwing stones at their neighbours from inside their own house. Wink
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Panzer Vor



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:31 am Reply with quote
That's rich, considering that the United Kingdom shoulders just as much responsibility for the current state of the world as the United States. You shouldn't be throwing stones at the glass house on the other side of the Atlantic from inside your own glass house, limey. Wink
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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:03 am Reply with quote
StarfighterPegasus wrote:
Mangagamer got into this hot seat four or 6 years ago about a loli sex scene. Their response was shocking. "We understand and the ultimate responsibility lies with the consumer.

What's the context here? The game in question?
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:19 am Reply with quote
Panzer Vor wrote:
That's rich, considering that the United Kingdom shoulders just as much responsibility for the current state of the world as the United States. You shouldn't be throwing stones at the glass house on the other side of the Atlantic from inside your own glass house, limey. Wink
Show me a similar article from HRH Ministry of State to give you basis to say that, yank. Wink
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