Forum - View topicNEWS: Singapore's Odex Subs Haruhi with Similar Text to Fansub
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Xanas
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Well, I think personally that the "people who get into anime because of fansubs or other free downloads" group completely offsets the group who doesn't pay who otherwise would (the 10%). But there is absolutely no way for either of us to firmly establish any position because the data simply isn't sufficient to do so.
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hikura
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So let me get this right.People in this forum and others are complaining that odex is more or less using a fan subbers subtitles.I know what i am about to say will draw criticism.I feel no sympathy for the fansubbers and for the people are complaining about odex and what they are doing.Odex has rights to their material they have the right to distrubute in a certain area.The fansubbers do not have the right to be complaining about what odex is doing with their(odex's own material) material.If people dislike it it they try to change what odex is doing or not buy the material that is offered or get the material legally.But the fansubbers are the last people to be whining about "being ripped off".
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ZaWarudo
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It's less about complaining about fansubbers getting ripped off and more about Odex's blatent hypocrisy and self-righteousness.
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hikura
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People say that odex needed to improve their quality of the subtitles.Well they got it.I just feel no sympathy at all for the fansubbers and the people who illegally do what they do. I will state that the comments i make are my opinion.Meaning that they are not to be taken as facts.It is ok to disagree with.I have no problem with it. |
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Paploo
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More like "If you steal my car it's bad. So I steal it back, since it's my property. Not the best way to go about things, but you don't deserve to whine about it, car-stealer" Mind you, this is all dependant about whether or not the subs were actually lifted from the fansubs- people claim this sort of thing all the time, but it's usually been proven wrong. After the rather harsh treatment Odex has been given for cracking down on bootlegs, I certainly wouldn't blame them for striking back, though it is indeed rather an odd way [and a tad confrontational, *if* it's true] |
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ZaWarudo
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Looking at the examples given, it seems extremely likely that the subs were copied mostly or completely wholesale. Unless we get more info that proves otherwise, doubting the claims looks like FUD to me.
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W-General
Posts: 280 Location: Ithaca, NY, USA / Taichung, Taiwan |
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Although I am watch fansubs every day, in reality, unauthorized fansubs are not protected by copyright at all. I say Odex can do whatever they like with it - the only thing that will damage them is their reputation as an anime licensor in the eyes of fans...and that's not up to my judgment.
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Kibamaru
Posts: 35 Location: Singapore |
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I have not bought Odex's Gundam SEED Destiny boxsets, though from what I heard the subs were ripped off SEED-Fansubs. I have no prove of this so I'm merely sharing what I heard.
Besdes Haruhi, Odex also ripped off subs from Triad Fansubs for their release of Nanoha. Here are links with side-by-side pictures comparing Odex's release of Nanoha as well as Triad fansbs: http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showpost.php?p=25850905&postcount=85 http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showpost.php?p=25850909&postcount=86 |
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Kaioshin_Sama
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Do you know what the terms Onus of Proof, Reasonable Doubt and Circumstantial Evidence mean? |
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bakaShin
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very true. companies argue about intellectual property and copyrights and odex goes off and does this. even if you believe fansubs are wrong, stealing another's work or ideas and passing it as your own is much worst. if the translation is pretty much word for word then they are caught red handed and lose all credibility and rep they have. |
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Micia
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I'm more concern about "how the Odex obtained the subtitles". It is quite obvious that Odex has downloaded anime online and is not prosecuted by the AVPA(anti-video piracy association). I believe the Corperation of Odex and the citizens of Singapore should receive the same treatment! Is this Singapore? |
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zalas
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Ah, thanks for the pointer; I've always wanted to find some ruling like that and never came across it. Now just to find the judgement text... |
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DarkMirage
Posts: 19 Location: Singapore |
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Having friends who worked for / are working for Odex right now, I can assure you that that is definitely not the case. :) In the end, fansubbers can do nothing and most people will never know about this. Odex has it all figured out. And, flawed as they may be in certain situations, the laws allow it. But still, it's interesting to wonder how Odex products will be like if they really somehow manage to achieve their stated long-term goal of eradicating fansubs, ironically their primary "reference" source. |
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Xanas
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Your analogy has only one failing, and that's that in this case the group did actually do the work involved in translating the text to english/etc. If that was too easy surely Odex would have just done it themselves. The fact it was easier to rip it from the fansub shows that they held some value in that. So if the thief were to upgrade your car and you were to keep the upgrades, it'd be a similar idea Which I think you could probably say would be pretty lucky. The fact we agree for totally different reasons is interesting though, lol. |
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Kaioshin_Sama
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So, like what's going on here? Has Odex said they took the subs from A.F.K or not? Why is everybody assuming guilt before both sides have had a chance to talk about this issue?
Does anybody give two damns about Audi Alteram Partem (Hear The Other Side in Latin) or does that just plain not exist in Singapore. Does anybody know what this means? It means that no one should be condemned without first being given the opportunity to respond to the accusations against them. It is also one of the principles of fundamental justice in the legal system of any truly free and democratic society. Meaning, maybe people should wait for an announcement before assuming guilt automatically based off of a couple of screenshots and trying to punish Odex via boycotts or however else they see fit. Better yet, wait for both a.f.k and Odex to have their say, then judge, not before. Then again, who the hell listens to reason anymore anyway? Slam away at the evil Odex, don't give them their day out of whatever grudge you may hold against them over there. Forgive me for once again trying to provide a logical argument and solution to such a simple problem. |
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