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V1046-R
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Please don't misunderstand my post as suggesting this box set is the same thing to me as older shows you can get for cheap at local stores in the US. My post was a response to the general topic brought up that people no longer shop this way for anime. As I said, I can't speak for others, but I still do take a chance on cheaply priced shows I have never heard of. Regarding this particular show, I have already seen it online & realize this is an import for us in the US. Already seeing it is a major factor in me not being motivated to spend that much on an import purchase. I have no opinion of right or wrong with the pricing model, just that it is not worth the money to me personally. I would always rather watch a show I haven't seen instead of wathcing one I have already seen again, which is why I have my own personal spending limit on buying shows I have already viewed (even if I think they are great). My list of shows I want to see is bottomless, so I will never get to the end & have free time to go back & re-watch shows. 
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fxg97873
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I would love to have this…as a collector.
For media consumption, though, I have services like crunchyroll. To be frank, optical media as a method for general media consumption is dead. That's why these NA anime companies eventually went belly up. They kept pricing down their DVDs (and cutting corners from the packaging to the actual encode of the show) because they wanted to compete with the cheap (or sometimes plain free) digital distribution models. However, they couldn't compete with the instant gratification and simplicity of digital distribution. And because they cut corners on the physical product, collectors (like me) shunned it for being poor and having zero collector appeal. So now companies like Aniplex come in and want to sell what's essentially almost the same product as the Japanese one. Pricey as heck but for those collectors (with lots of money) who can afford them they get something that very few people will have (exclusivity) and Aniplex gets a few extra sales on the U.S. side to add on top of the Japanese sales with minimal effort. Now, before someone assumes I am some big baller who can afford this stuff and is simply thumbing my nose at those less fortunate, I am not. I can never in a million years choose to buy this set. It's too much money. I could buy a 1/4 ounce gold coin and have it be a better investment than spending money on a show that probably ten years from now no one will give a care about. But, if you have the money and can freely spend it as a collector for this show, go for it. It's your money and your free time. But I find it hard to imagine that people want to complain about the pricing when the show is still available for viewing and consumption at a dirt cheap price and even 1080p quality at crunchyroll. What Aniplex is selling is a collector product. That the product contains a disc that you can put in your BD drive and can be played for consumption is simply secondary. It is not what they really selling to you. |
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ikillchicken
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Do not presume to talk down to me. I understand the subject of economics just fine. I'm not making an economic argument at all though. To the contrary, it is precisely this attitude that I don't really agree with. The free market has great value as a practical tool but I adamantly disagree with the way some people treat it as a be all end all rule that should be followed. The assumption that maximizing profits automatically translates to what is best for everyone is naive at best.
Well as I said, I do agree that this is basically the only option here. What I was disputing was specifically the blanket statement that was made about business.
To clarify, I was mostly being glib when I said that. I'm just not a right wing economic conservative. |
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ArsenicSteel
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lol no it's not. Brick and Mortar retailers might be dwindling but optical media is still the backbone for internet retailers. Speaking of backbone, America doesn't have the necessary infrastructure to support 100% digital distribution of anything larger than a 3 minute song. |
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Mesonoxian Eve
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Want to bet? Just go ahead and pay me now. Not only does America have the infrastructure, the claims of "bottleneck bandwidth" have been proven bogus by those who make the equipment and support the infrastructure. The ISPs in this country realized "bandwidth bottleneck" equates to "we can charge our customers more money for faster access". Chaching. 
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ArsenicSteel
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If Steam, WoW, and XBL are any indicator. A lot of people don't have the necessary bandwidth to get large files in a fast or expedient manner and servers will slow to a crawl during high traffic times and/or for highly popular titles. Not to mention that non-techies(majority?) probably don't have an adequate storage device to maintain a digital film library. So no, I won't be paying you now. |
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Mesonoxian Eve
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Not an indicator... proof. People don't "have" the necessary bandwidth because infrastructure doesn't allow them to have it at a reasonable cost. Worse, regulatory restrictions prevent companies from competing in large markets. This is why we don't have choices, and of those with different types, the prices aren't competitive. Since the 90s, our industry has been trying to push internet access as though its a utility, which is absurd. When it comes to 0s and 1s, actually throttling speeds creates the bottlenecks, and they damn well know this. I don't ever see anything changing in my lifetime. If anything, it's going to get worse, especially as demand increases. |
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ArsenicSteel
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You sure make cruddy bets.
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Mesonoxian Eve
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*counts donuts. Considering this is my area of professional work, realize I'm not going to be taking the words of someone who bases their entire knowledge of our infrastructure on the complaints of accessing a Steam account. |
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Polycell
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Mesonoxian Eve's got a point - there's one ISP in my area that provides up to 115 Mbs, while the one with the monopoly in my city only goes up to 30 Mbs. Abolish telecommunications monopolies and you'll see all those claimed trunk bandwidth issues disappear(any real ones will get rectified right quick except in marginal markets).
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V1046-R
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Those who make the equipment, IE Cisco are not who implement and manage it on the Internet backbones. So sure they will always say they have hardware that can handle anything. That doesn't mean all of the Internet is using the latest greatest, because it is not an Asset controlled by one entitiy or the government. It is mostly owned & controlled by a bunch of corporations, with some public exchange points. Don't be so assured of end-to-end speed, because if two companies don't agree on usage costs for traffic flooding into the segment they own, then they can always reroute traffic away to a public exchange point. Translation, extra hops & latency when passing through the network segments not funded by megabuck corporations. Bottom line - your mileage may vary, despite how robust you think the current state of Internet is. I have stores very close to where I live. I also have a fast, wide bandwidth internet connection. As a test, it took me 25% less time to go to a store & buy a blu ray than it did to download the same amount of data. There was no difference in cost. But I still have the disc to re-sell, give away, or watch again for the one I bought at the store. The download? That data was lost when my last PS3 died an untimely death. No, media on disc is not dead because it is still desirable to even tech saavy people like myself. For others it is the only thing they know, and seeing the rows & rows of movies at my local stores reinforces my opinion on that. |
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ArsenicSteel
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I offered common real world examples which are representative of a issue I was getting at, the infrastructure isn't there. It's my experiences of having to support a variety of clients in Southeastern Michigan that's the base for me saying that coverage isn't readily available for all and that more works needs to be done in order to get to the point of being able to run a 100% digital distribution method for large files. Man everything needs to be credentials and e-peens with you. |
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Ashen Phoenix
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Well said, Blood-. Well said. While I agree Fate/Zero is one of the most beautiful TV anime I've seen in years, and certainly a vastly enthralling and entertaining one, at present I see now way I can afford to support this series on my budget, so I'm hoping a more economically-friendly box set will be released in the future. |
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SongstressCela
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Sigh. This is disgusting. -.-
But Aniplex doesn't give a you know what. Why should they care about screwing regular fans over when their asinine pricing means they can sell about a tenth as many but still make the same amount back? -.- Aniplex can burn for all I care. |
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ArsenicSteel
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A tenth you say? Is that one of those made-up internet percentages that's so popular around here.
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