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Secondly, as I have said before, those who lack experience in a field will suffer. I would not like to see anime VAs on my TV, because that is not their field. They would suck as live action characters.

This goes for animation.

Lucy Liu's first dub* huh? It doesn't matter. The chances of her being bad in this is 100%. Live action actors are never good in animation, let alone anime. Can somebody give a legitimate reason why they don't use anime VAs?

*Afro Samurai Resurrection was not a dub, BTW.

I don't understand how my point is controversial. It's only similar to Japanese fans. They don't like this crap in Ghibli movies. They consider the acting to be flat, lifeless, dull and lacking due to the fact Miyazaki and his crew have a stupid hatred towards actual seiyuu and refuse to use them relative to horrible live action actors. Like in Howl. Only one voice actor was used. Akio Otsuka. That's the best performance in that film, for obvious reasons. So when Disney/G-Kids emulate that, you get the same effect. Good live action actors who don't get it. Asking for anime/animation VAs is not something I should beg for. It should be something I expect. Not only would it be better, but it saves time and money. They wouldn't even have to pay them scale. They would be paid standard union dubbing rates of $62.50-$75 per hour and maybe scale if they feel like it. According to JTurner's video, the Princess Mononoke dub had a massive production cost. What's the point of a shit load of money for a meh dub? Is what I'm saying out of the ordinary?

SynergyMan wrote:

Lucy Liu's first dub* huh? It doesn't matter. The chances of her being bad in this is 100%. Live action actors are never good in animation, let alone anime. Can somebody give a legitimate reason why they don't use anime VAs? *Afro Samurai Resurrection was not a dub, BTW.

Disney's Ghibli dubs are in large part some of the best English dubs of anime out there (with a few glaring exceptions like Castle in the Sky and Arrietty). Stop talking out of your ass.

SynergyMan wrote:

Lucy Liu's first dub* huh? It doesn't matter. The chances of her being bad in this is 100%. Live action actors are never good in animation, let alone anime. Can somebody give a legitimate reason why they don't use anime VAs? *Afro Samurai Resurrection was not a dub, BTW.

That is complete and utter bullshit. Robin Williams in Aladdin is just one of the many actors that would like to have a word with you. I'll give you a reason why they don't use anime VA's. Because a tone of 'em SUCK. Yes, over emoting and heavy breathing isn't what I would consider good acting. Mark Hamill as the Joker and Muska in Castle in the Sky, now THAT'S good acting in animation.

SynergyMan wrote:

Secondly, as I have said before, those who lack experience in a field will suffer. I would not like to see anime VAs on my TV, because that is not their field. They would suck as live action characters.

SynergyMan wrote:

This goes for animation.

SynergyMan wrote:

I don't understand how my point is controversial. It's only similar to Japanese fans. They don't like this crap in Ghibli movies. They consider the acting to be flat, lifeless, dull and lacking due to the fact Miyazaki and his crew have a stupid hatred towards actual seiyuu and refuse to use them relative to horrible live action actors. Like in Howl. Only one voice actor was used. Akio Otsuka. That's the best performance in that film, for obvious reasons. So when Disney/G-Kids emulate that, you get the same effect. Good live action actors who don't get it. Asking for anime/animation VAs is not something I should beg for. It should be something I expect. Not only would it be better, but it saves time and money. They wouldn't even have to pay them scale. They would be paid standard union dubbing rates of $62.50-$75 per hour and maybe scale if they feel like it. According to JTurner's video, the Princess Mononoke dub had a massive production cost. What's the point of a shit load of money for a meh dub? Is what I'm saying out of the ordinary?

Japanese viewers think nothing like that. Stop making stuff up. On the contrary, a lot of Japanese Ghibli fans PREFER the English dubs. Hell, even Miyazaki himself enjoys them more and believes that English speakers should watch them instead because it's their native language. The guy has said it in multiple official interviews. Your point is controversial because it doesn't make any sense. Many live action actors also do animation, so why is anime supposed to be any different? It has never been the standard for the other way around, where voice actors work in live action, so that point is ridiculous. These are talented people in these dubs, don't discredit them so completely. And the Mononoke dub was great.

enurtsol wrote:

SynergyMan wrote: Secondly, as I have said before, those who lack experience in a field will suffer. I would not like to see anime VAs on my TV, because that is not their field. They would suck as live action characters.

Who's she?

I don't understand how my point is controversial. It's only similar to Japanese fans. They don't like this crap in Ghibli movies. They consider the acting to be flat, lifeless, dull and lacking due to the fact Miyazaki and his crew have a stupid hatred towards actual seiyuu and refuse to use them relative to horrible live action actors. Like in Howl. Only one voice actor was used. Akio Otsuka. That's the best performance in that film, for obvious reasons. So when Disney/G-Kids emulate that, you get the same effect. Good live action actors who don't get it. Asking for anime/animation VAs is not something I should beg for. It should be something I expect. Not only would it be better, but it saves time and money. They wouldn't even have to pay them scale. They would be paid standard union dubbing rates of $62.50-$75 per hour and maybe scale if they feel like it. According to JTurner's video, the Princess Mononoke dub had a massive production cost. What's the point of a shit load of money for a meh dub? Is what I'm saying out of the ordinary?

SynergyMan wrote:

Lucy Liu's first dub* huh? It doesn't matter. The chances of her being bad in this is 100%. Live action actors are never good in animation, let alone anime. Can somebody give a legitimate reason why they don't use anime VAs? *Afro Samurai Resurrection was not a dub, BTW.

Disney's Ghibli dubs are in large part some of the best English dubs of anime out there (with a few glaring exceptions like Castle in the Sky and Arrietty). Stop talking out of your ass.

koinosuke wrote:

SynergyMan wrote: Lucy Liu's first dub* huh? It doesn't matter. The chances of her being bad in this is 100%. Live action actors are never good in animation, let alone anime. Can somebody give a legitimate reason why they don't use anime VAs? *Afro Samurai Resurrection was not a dub, BTW. Disney's Ghibli dubs are in large part some of the best English dubs of anime out there (with a few glaring exceptions like Castle in the Sky and Arrietty). Stop talking out of your ass.

Well, they all have overly liberal scripts. I would prefer if the script was more conservative. An accurate/literal script would mantain Disney's contract. Although visually the dubs are not cut, they have some desensitizing and alteration. E.G The dub of Spirited Away. The English dub has Chihiro speaking, while the Japanese version is ambiguous. That wasn't in the Japanese version, so it heavily altered a scene's tone. That's first thing.

"Translating from Japanese to English for an anime dub is a long and drawn out process that (if the dub is good) is very deliberate where nothing is written, considered, changed without a tremendous amount of thought behind the reasons. And a lot has to be considered.

Literal translations are awkward to act out and sound stale/unnatural. Writing a line that is an appropriate length for the mouth is also a huge challenge. Therefore-- CONCESSIONS ALWAYS have to be made. Something will inevitably be lost in translation, that's just the way it is. If one is going to complain about one line here or there being changed, one must also complain about the multitude of others that have only a few words changed.

The question is not whether things are changed or the not even the amount that is changed-- but do these changes and/or the performances of the Western actors inhibit the enjoyment of the movie? With all the Disney dubs, I can confidently answer "No." If looked at an objective point of view, people should have little trouble agreeing.

Finally...it is unfair to liken new dubs or today's dubs to those pieces of crap released in the past. Disney dubs in particular draw unwarranted criticism for this simply because the company's reputation. Like anything else-- these works need to be judged on their own merits."

-ngamer3k