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thenix
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Depends on the fan service. Some shows are made to just have boobs and crotch in different angles, some shows just have an episode at the beach. Fan service is defined differently. So you might look at what is the fan service and why is it in there? Does it make the show more realistic or does the show go out of it's way to make it appear? If you think that all boobs are pandering to the lowest common denominator then you must think some of the art of the masters throughout the history of man that has nudity was just pandering to the lowest common denominator and people who don't admit it now are just in denial. |
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Juno016
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Before the Pokemon XY anime started airing, we got to see of GetTV that the majority of the key animators import hand-drawn lineart into the computer and convert them to vectors. They use 3D panning software of some sort for the backgrounds and, while it can look awkward combining the two sometimes, I can certainly say that everyday Pokemon battles in the anime were never this exciting before XY. |
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Animelover12313
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This, I love this quote so much. MANY people needed to learn how to do this. |
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Justin I think you are too dismissive when it comes to comparing Japan and the US in treating them as essentially the same when it comes to attitudes towards the pervy. First I think the what you mentioned: how most Japanese tend to mind their own business is a factor that does result in creating a distinct difference of attitudes.
Traditionally, Japan for all of its history up until the post Meiji era, had been accepting of it. And it hasn't entirely left their psyche. I don't think accepting attitudes of teh boobies--or bishounen for girls for that matter--are limited to late night anime dwellers. One only needs to look at mainstream shows like Ranma 1/2 up until the mid-90s (until the Eva controversy with conservative PTAs). However, manga is not limited to a late-night audience and is very much widespread, contains all the perviness for both guys and girls that many millions of working adults and kids e.g. Dragon Ball indulge in daily. Recall the very big, public and naked Fujiko promotional posters and cutouts used in Japan for Lupin III Fujiko Mine. Every promotion for the latest incarnation of this mainstream franchise used this very sexy and naked Fujiko. But when Funimation used the same design for their ads they had to erase her nipple. Why? And the differences are not limited just to anime or manga media. I've also seen posters and publicly displayed risque images in Japan--I recall a poster in a small arcarde I went to--that would be absolutely impossible in the US... like this this nude image (video) on the side of the salon There's also an analogous comparison with gambling. Again, this is outside of the typical late-night otaku audience, yet there is a very casual acceptance of risque imagery in their parlors/machines, like Samurai Girls panchiko and gravure models pachinko. It's ironic and odd to notice how Vegas is utterly clean and devoid of this imagery in their casinos, including new Indian casinos, ever since I can remember. Even onsens would not work in the US, such as being all ages or allowing mixed gender (which all of them were until the Meiji period). Of course, this doesn't even get into the soaplands. I'm pretty sure that mainstream America would have a very different attitude toward their many public Shinto penis and vagina fertility festivals as well. |
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Looneygamemaster
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I'm not necessarily against nudity as an expression of art. But fanservice, by its definition, is service for the fans. If nudity has no purpose but to be fanservice, it's not art--it's immoral, skeevy junk that reeks of a desperate attempt to hook people. |
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Define "art". Prove your assertion of immorality. And what if the creators actually like it themselves? I'd bet 99% of the time the creators are just being true to themselves and are NOT any attempt to hook people. They are channeling their inner desire or their id. In other words, what happens if the artist likes something erotic AND I like something erotic? By your logic, such a thing is impossible! But In fact most of the time they need to be held back in order to pander to the mainstream. You cannot by definition, pander if you actually do what you like. And every single artist who has done fanserivce actually turns out to like it themselves if you actually read the interviews or look at their past works or doujinshi. |
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mdo7
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Well I have nothing to add on this week Answerman, but thanks for the insights on what kind of program anime studio uses, that's a huge insight for me.
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insert name here
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I was worried question 1 was going to try to rehash the debate over the merits of fanservice but thankfully things went in a more thoughtful direction. And question 3 was something I'd kind of been wondering about for a while. The texture of Japanese TV animation looks so different from American TV cartoons, I'd always wondered if there might be some significant differences in the software used. Weeks like this are why Justin's tenure has been my favorite iteration of this column.
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Taskforce
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What is really telling is some of these same people that just put down anime fanservice, then turn around and want to talk about what happened on the latest ep of the US sexomedy last night. The fact is US television is every bit as corrupted by fanservice as Japanese anime. A lot of it is just audible instead of visual. Though, there is plenty of visual examples in recent years as well. It is amazing that some of these people can get so bent out of shape, and then have blinders on when it comes to US broadcasts.
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lostrune
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Indeed
The guy who wrote Koe de Oshigoto said in an interview he was trying to figure out a way to draw as much lewd stuff in it as he could since he was forced to make the series for non-hentai audiences. So he used creative censoring to get it into an all ages magazine in the end despite the subject material |
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EyeOfPain
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Yeah, just look at all those panty shots in The Big Bang Theory! |
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Jayhosh
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Well, I think when peopel are referring to fansevice they specifically mean the pointless and pandering type. Like say, a busty girl's late for school and those things are jiggling so unnaturally it's scary with such a lack of subtlety. And the focus on it is immense. And it doesn't add anything to what you just watched. It was just sort of there to please some horny viewers who don't feel like watching actual porn. That's the type of fanservice I think a lot of people refer to. Not the innocent kind, like a simple shot of someone's butt as their walking away. I don't know, did that make any sense at all? As far as I can tell, not really many western tv series implement that more obnoxious form of fanservice, especially in comparison to Japan's output. |
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Gasero
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Lavnovice9
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Uh, that show whores out Kaley Cuoco a ton. How many times have we seen her in just her underwear or in some skimpy cosplay outfit or just a skimpy outfit in general? That's kinda the whole point to her character.
How much TV do you watch, exactly? We get gratuitous shots all the time in a lot of shows. Trying to differentiate it between "innocent" fan-service is just goalpost moving to discredit any example people list. |
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Rahxephon91
Posts: 1859 Location: Park Forest IL. |
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Honestly, this stigma of anime being porno has never existed for me. No one I know who dosen't give a crap about anime has ever thought it is porno. The mainstream success of Pokemon, DragonBall, and so on are too ingrained for it. The stereotype of anime outside of the internet too me seems to simply be dumb cartoons with crazy things from Japan. The moe and porn stereotype seems to exist only online to me. Which honestly at this point I can't blame people for thinking that. That crap and it's waifu induced fans have seemingly become the face of anime fandom. it's not something I like, but since I'm not part of it I don't really care. Anime is just something I like, not something I identify by.
I don't think there's anything wrong with fanservice anime(though the more pedo and incest one's disgust me). it's just tna and people can and should be able to like things solely for tna. But if I want tna I think I'm better served by actual real life porno. My problem with fanservice focused shows are that they tend to be lacking in any sort of story quality. Crappy writing and terrible characters seem to be the norm. Pandery females aren't interesting to me and so I see no point in watching a show who's entire reason for existence is to have anime boobs. |
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