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REVIEW: Senran Kagura: Ninja Flash! BD+DVD


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terminus24



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:32 pm Reply with quote
As a fan of the games, I couldn't really bring myself to like this adaptation at all. It adapted the story really badly (not like I was expecting much from a video game adaptation), and most of the game's really good parts (solid combat system, non-butchered story) got lost in the transition to animated form.

ParaChomp wrote:

Off topic, I got 2 questions:

1. Why did the first title for the 3DS get a T rating but the second title for the PSVita get a M rating?

2. Did anybody catch the scene where the main characters hanging upside down and everything (especially their boobs) but their skirts are affected by gravity?

1. The 3DS game had pretty much nothing above-average in terms of nudity (except for a couple bath images, everyone was at least wearing fully-covering underwear/swimsuits/whatever), while the Vita one had the characters end up completely naked often, covered only by magic beams of light and small pictures of their faces (which sometimes covered even more than their underwear).

2. This show is pretty much about boobs that defy gravity. Why can't their skirts?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:30 pm Reply with quote
@Zac for me its the story plus the fanservice as the cherry on top. A current favorite of mine is the Infinite Stratos series although I do like Senran Kagura more for the gaming aspect. Sometimes the borderline nudity/sex with the fun storyline is EVEN MORE exciting then just straight sex itself!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:35 pm Reply with quote
ParaChomp wrote:


1. Why did the first title for the 3DS get a T rating but the second title for the PSVita get a M rating?



as said before, the later games have full nudity, while there is some minor convenient censorship simple camera tricks or slow motions are enough to avoid them, as well as bugs (there is a forum named 3dskr dedicated to that kind of stuff). the nudity is still barbie-ish, but is more than what the anime shows, butts are butts, the front is show with really minor cameltoe but no coloring or texture changes, teh breasts have simple nipples modeled on them , tho no texture or colour change again.
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At ask.fm/ItsaFee, I told Felecia Angelle, the dub voice of Asuka, this: "Katsuragi, Ikaruga, Asuka, Yagyu, and then Hibari is the order of the 5 main Senran Kagura girls in terms of who has the biggest bust".

Her response was, "Neat! I would've lost money on that order lol".[/quote][/code]
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Key wrote:
Zac wrote:
If fanservice "evolving" means it's more straight-up pay-cable-only nudity and sex, and things like Senran Kagura don't cut it anymore because it's clothed fanservice instead of nudity, doesn't that mean the end goal is basically just pornography? If pushing the sexual content further and further in a show like this is the goal, and the more explicit it is, the better, then doesn't common sense dictate that what you're really looking for is pornography rather than just a show with some boob shots in it?

Or is it more like you want the pay cable thing, where there's a ton of nudity and sexual content but the sex isn't the *point* of the story, it's just a huge component of the show's appeal?

Oh, I think this is an entirely reasonable point to bring up and discuss; in fact, I've long thought that this might be an interesting topic to devote part of an ANNCast to at some point.

I, at least, am not looking for fan service in general to push into the realm of even soft-core porn, and that's already covered by certain OVA releases out there anyway. The pay cable example you use is more what I'd prefer, and what I think a lot (though definitely not all!) of fan service-favoring fans would prefer; practically the ideal standing example would be High School DxD.

Of course, some variety on that point is also nice, and I have found the much tamer Lord Marksman and Vanadis to hit that mark very well. While I find that series to only be a little above average overall, I think it does a great job of being a little sexy but not letting that define the series or get in the way of its storylines.


This is more or less what I wanted to say. While I do enjoy seeing shows attempt to push things a bit farther, I still prefer that there be a distinct line between a fanservice show and hentai. I enjoy both, but for different reasons, and I'd prefer that to continue.

I also think walw6pK4Alo brings up a big part of why prefer that there be a line between the two genres. Fanservice shows get budgets far in excess of what most hentai get, so in the interest of really good character designs and decent stories, I wouldn't want the distinction to get too blurry because I suspect the trend would be to give the shows hentai budgets and not fanservice budgets.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:46 pm Reply with quote
I think sometimes Japan wants to push the limit of what they can show on TV/cable/satellite without it becoming actual AV. That's why you might get fan service shows that are just of AV, such as Queen's Blade and Seikon no Qwaser.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:51 pm Reply with quote
maximilianjenus wrote:
ParaChomp wrote:


1. Why did the first title for the 3DS get a T rating but the second title for the PSVita get a M rating?



as said before, the later games have full nudity, while there is some minor convenient censorship simple camera tricks or slow motions are enough to avoid them, as well as bugs (there is a forum named 3dskr dedicated to that kind of stuff). the nudity is still barbie-ish, but is more than what the anime shows, butts are butts, the front is show with really minor cameltoe but no coloring or texture changes, teh breasts have simple nipples modeled on them , tho no texture or colour change again.


Let's not exaggerate. The Senran Kagura franchise does not have "full nudity" at all. There are no bare breasts and the fact is, no Japanese console game ever will because they can't.
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ParaChomp



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:13 pm Reply with quote
Okay, the answer to my rating question makes sense.

configspace wrote:
Let's not exaggerate. The Senran Kagura franchise does not have "full nudity" at all. There are no bare breasts and the fact is, no Japanese console game ever will because they can't.
Guess the show followed suit in turn.

I came across in-game models of the characters naked and bald the other day. The only six faces trope was present and it was terrifying. How do I know about this? I have to stop going to image sharing sites...
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here-and-faraway



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:13 am Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
If pushing the sexual content further and further in a show like this is the goal, and the more explicit it is, the better, then doesn't common sense dictate that what you're really looking for is pornography rather than just a show with some boob shots in it?

Or is it more like you want the pay cable thing, where there's a ton of nudity and sexual content but the sex isn't the *point* of the story, it's just a huge component of the show's appeal?


I don't necessarily feel that we need to keep pushing things, but I also don't like how nipples have become "dirty". I miss the days when "family friendly" shows like Ranma 1/2 and Dragonball could flash a nipple or two. To me, it's more disgusting to airbrush nipples away. As a girl, it makes me cringe to see females "erased" to look like Barbie dolls. Here's a link to illustrate what I mean. I would give a warning about the image in the link, but according to censors, it's good family fun...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ArYZbUJCIAEdZ_z.jpg

I think it's fair to say that the majority of people who buy titles like Senran Kaguara purchase them for titillation. Most hentai titles make me squirm because the genitalia is drawn out of whack and I don't like to see things like feces, pee, saliva, or what looks like 10 cans of whip cream. (And if you like that kind of stuff, as far as I'm concerned if it's between two consenting adults or imaginary characters, it's none of my business.)

While I'm not a huge ecchi or hentai fan, I don't think viewers should have to decide between either oogling their little sister's Barbie doll or immersing themselves in the world of tentacles, sour cream, and oddly colored "who-ha's". There's nothing wrong with nipples, dagnabbit. I wish people would quit making them seem to be such dirty, dirty things.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:49 am Reply with quote
The story is good, but it only makes sense as an addendum of the game's storylines. So I can understand the show doesn't appeal immediately as a standalone. But I feel it works a lot better as an addendum material, which the show likely was created to be.

I think it's an enjoyable enough show, but yeah, I can understand why it won't score high marks.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:29 am Reply with quote
configspace wrote:


Let's not exaggerate. The Senran Kagura franchise does not have "full nudity" at all. There are no bare breasts and the fact is, no Japanese console game ever will because they can't.


Although you still probably shouldn't let your mom find them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyyMKGBLa9c Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:40 pm Reply with quote
here-and-faraway, who is that gorgeous woman in your link?
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here-and-faraway



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:01 pm Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
here-and-faraway, who is that gorgeous woman in your link?


A very crude stick figure drawing of Sana from Kodocha.

Your puppy dog looks much cuter! Anime smile
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:59 pm Reply with quote
Thanks. It's a black Tosa Inu (Japanese Mastiff), the largest of the Japanese dog breeds (While I have a black Lab mix now, I hope to own a Tosa someday).
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:40 am Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
Key wrote:

gedata: Yeah, that's really the main problem, isn't? In the mid-2000s SK would have been a high-tier fan service show, but the bar has been raised too much in the past 5-6 years.


Okay, here's my question, and I'm not asking this because I'm a prude or I hate sex or fanservice or because I think you're all perverts or whatever. So please don't interpret the question that way.

If fanservice "evolving" means it's more straight-up pay-cable-only nudity and sex, and things like Senran Kagura don't cut it anymore because it's clothed fanservice instead of nudity, doesn't that mean the end goal is basically just pornography? If pushing the sexual content further and further in a show like this is the goal, and the more explicit it is, the better, then doesn't common sense dictate that what you're really looking for is pornography rather than just a show with some boob shots in it?

Or is it more like you want the pay cable thing, where there's a ton of nudity and sexual content but the sex isn't the *point* of the story, it's just a huge component of the show's appeal?


For me I want it to be in that last paragraph. And if I want actual porn, that is no problem, tons of that on the internet with anime character cosplay in it which I always find awesome :3

But yeah, fanservice shows are softcore porn, but as people say it can be more exciting if it´s ´almost´, and also it at least has a bit of a story to keep things interesting!
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