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ANNCast - Code Geasscast

BluExocet wrote:

Alright, so I'm a little confused about the Pizza Hut thing. I never watched the show as it was airing and only watched the whole thing as a set on dvd waaaaay later. And I know there's an obsession with pizza in the show, but there are zero Pizza Hut logos on the DVD copies. Was it just a product placement thing?

Yes. Pizza Hut was a sponsor for the show in Japan, but not in other areas, so using the logo would have been possible grounds for a trademark lawsuit. C.C. eating so much pizza was just a way to get that logo in the show on a frequent basis.

Was it just a product placement thing?

Also thought the point on the whole ideal badass v.s. strawman thing was an interesting point in comparison to some of the show's successors. Particularly in that despite being worse about practically everything else, Valvrave was kind of the most balanced in that respect as far as it's leads went, even though it had a lot less to say.

In that same respect though I'd say the worst of the clones in regards to how that dynamic is treated was Aldnoah Zero even though it didn't have any of the Code Geass staff on it as far as I know. It was a similar dynamic, but the show turned Slaine into so much of a strawman in the second half that it had to almost retroactively rewrite his character to make him more of the villain and by extension make Inaho look better. Honestly I kinda wish the imitations would stop and we'd see mecha do something kinda new again, but as was said on the podcast the formula works too well with anime's core teen demographic to ever stop making clones. Eh, maybe someday.

If I had to recommend a Sunrise mecha show, I would go with Gundam Unicorn since it's characters are stronger, better writing and more natural exploration of themes

Aylinn wrote:

I thought that Lulu was just fun to watch action hero. He had plenty of genius* plans, ideas and a well-defined goal. All of it works really well in an action oriented series. It allows for plenty of action and the main character to stay in the spotlight. His genius is questionable, but it doesn’t matter here.

He's in action hero that does not participate in battles nor does anything heroic and he's a genius even though he messes up all the time. Right.

The point isn't who wins a fight and how. The point is that everyone needs to be together and not fight. And that sometimes, the world is cruel, and it become necessary to fight, but that it's not wrong to dream of a peaceful world, and to work towards that. It is a hopeful message, and it's one that people today don't seem to understand.

Lelouch not just ordering everyone to obey him forever isn't a plot hole. That's him having respect for people. He kills people sometimes, and he gets most of the progress he makes by robbing people of their free will, but that doesn't mean he's just heartless and evil.

Are you joking? VVV are the very opposite of balance when it came to that because Haruto was virtually weak and had no say in anything to the point where he was a butt monkey through the whole thing even in the final battle it was L-Elf who pulled the slack. Both leads were terrible because they represent what's wrong with these sort of duo MC narratives by making one stronger than the other. While its obvious that you, Zac, and Hope missed the point if you thought Lelouch was right or you were suppose to follow his idealogy, when the show and the creators both said that was never the case, I don't see how you could think VVV was more balanced in that regard.

And this is just flat out wrong especially since A/Z was about Slaine while Inaho was largely irrelevant and his view didn't really which is why their "rivalry" was so lazy. It was CG if Lelouch took center stage and wasn't sharing the spotlight with Suzaku since it wouldn't be a battle of idealogies just how to break a character down to zero which was the point of the title according to Aoki. Anyways both shows were horrible for a number of reasons.

I actually just really wish someone could bring up Code Geass without someone else bringing up Death Note, because they really have nothing in common other than that the main characters do "evil" laughs, but that's how shallow people are, I guess.

When I said "more balanced" I meant the show was at least slightly nicer to Haruto as opposed to Suzaku who's punished for practically everything. He's still generally considered a twit while L-Elf is the super genius or whatever but he's punished less and at least occasionally given more of a chance to defend his view. Of course in the end I still think the show's terrible, and doesn't make nearly enough use of the dual protagonist angle, but it's less mean spirited about it than the other Geass clones

Not to be mean about it or anything but I'm pretty darn sure the show at least tried to be as much about Inaho as Slaine. It failed mind you as I personally found Inaho to be as interesting as watching paint dry, and they retroactively refused to have him change as a character spoiler[(unless turning him into an actual robot counts)] but it tried. The show reinforced his world view at several points in the story, making him out to be this super awesome badass, and tried to give him some level of "depth" which usually meant having other characters interpret what little emotions he had. In comparison, Slane's "character journey" was mainly just a way to bluntly hammer in the show's message by turning him into the villain and thus absolutely proving Inaho right without having to actually do anything with him as a character despite pretending to. It's made all the worse by how ridiculously smug the ending is about it and as such it's definitely my least favorite of the imitators.

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