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Merxamers wrote:

Darker than Fate/Zero? Good lord, that show had dozens of children die bloody deaths on screen. Yeah, i'll be seeing this film

I mean by that metric even Fate route is darker than Zero thanks to kotomine's gilgil battery emporium

Konopan wrote:

I mean by that metric even Fate route is darker than Zero thanks to kotomine's gilgil battery emporium

Secondaries haven't watched nor read the Fate route.

I thought F/Z was entertaining, but it wasn't very good, which is why I'm always internally amused when people cite it as some kind of definitive Fate adaptation. I also hate when it's recommended as the first watch in the franchise. Fate/Zero is a sequel that takes place prior to the events of Fate/stay night; most of its content expands on information first learned in F/sn, not the other way around. And now we have the closed loop of the UBW anime referring to events in F/Z which just means facepalms all around.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing the movie in November!

Konopan wrote:

Merxamers wrote:

Darker than Fate/Zero? Good lord, that show had dozens of children die bloody deaths on screen. Yeah, i'll be seeing this film

I mean by that metric even Fate route is darker than Zero thanks to kotomine's gilgil battery emporium

No man, i reserve the right to call "dozens of children exploding into bloody hamburger to give birth to starfish demons" darker than "implication Gilgamesh has been eating people for a while." Even beyond kids deaths, it's a weird argument to make that Fate/Zero is somehow not as dark as F:S/N; look at the whole character arc for Kiritsugu, for goodness sakes. It's also the only anime I've seen where an innocent character is strangled to death TWICE. Also, coming into Fate Zero having only seen F:S/N and UBW, there are a couple SLIGHT SURPRISES about how terrible Sakura's childhood was.

Merxamers wrote:

Konopan wrote:

Merxamers wrote:

Darker than Fate/Zero? Good lord, that show had dozens of children die bloody deaths on screen. Yeah, i'll be seeing this film

I mean by that metric even Fate route is darker than Zero thanks to kotomine's gilgil battery emporium

No man, i reserve the right to call "dozens of children exploding into bloody hamburger to give birth to starfish demons" darker than "implication Gilgamesh has been eating people for a while." Even beyond kids deaths, it's a weird argument to make that Fate/Zero is somehow not as dark as F:S/N; look at the whole character arc for Kiritsugu, for goodness sakes. It's also the only anime I've seen where an innocent character is strangled to death TWICE. Also, coming into Fate Zero having only seen F:S/N and UBW, there are a couple SLIGHT SURPRISES about how terrible Sakura's childhood was.

I also think that Fate/Zero is darker than Fate/stay night.
Gen Urobuchi (Fate/Zero author) use more dark themes and gore in his works than his friend Kinoko Nasu (Fate/stay night author) and that shows in Fate/Zero.

But still Heaven's Feel route is the darker of Fate/stay night.

And, at least for me, the worse route.
When I played the game the only reason i finished the route was to get to the True End of the Realta Nua version of the game.

But I will watch the movies because how good ufotable adaptations are and maybe that would make Heaven's Feel more bearable.

Merxamers wrote:

No man, i reserve the right to call "dozens of children exploding into bloody hamburger to give birth to starfish demons" darker than "implication Gilgamesh has been eating people for a while." Even beyond kids deaths, it's a weird argument to make that Fate/Zero is somehow not as dark as F:S/N; look at the whole character arc for Kiritsugu, for goodness sakes. It's also the only anime I've seen where an innocent character is strangled to death TWICE. Also, coming into Fate Zero having only seen F:S/N and UBW, there are a couple SLIGHT SURPRISES about how terrible Sakura's childhood was.

Sakura's childhood was definitely in Stay Night, that's rather what Heavens Feel is about.

As for the Gil stuff, while spoiler[he is never actually seen eating (small orphan children who used to be Shirou's childhood playmates) people, ] "implication" seems to be putting it a bit lightly. Here are a few fun excerpts (don't read while eating):

spoiler[The water is dripping into the corpses' mouths.
The slightly opened mouths take in the water, and it must have been like that for many years as the lips are swollen and rotten, and the jaws are decomposing on some.]

spoiler[Why are they alive?
Every corpse is deformed and they lack too many of the human characteristics.
No limbs.
Those that have had them cut off.
Those that have had the ends decomposed, leaving only the bone.
Those who are ground down in the cracks in the floor.
Those who have become homes to bugs, splattered on the walls.
No matter how they came to be that way, they have no limbs remaining, and all of them are worn-out like rotten trees.]

spoiler[…The sound of the wind that sounds like sobbing.
It seems like screams coming out of the corpses' mouths.
Their throats have already decayed and they cannot let out voices. It has already become just an organ to keep them alive.
But still, the corpses are crying out.]
I'm of the opinion that, while Zero gets plenty dark, it's all stuff that was already in the VN (even Caster's antics are not so far removed from what some FSN characters get up to).

And so the madness that is the fate fandom goes on even when the reviewer loves the thing will it ever end

Personally, I don't think either F/Z or HF are dark. Nasu is trying too hard and Urobuchi needs a therapist.
Y'know what's dark? The UBW episode thread on this forum. That really makes you lose faith in humanity.

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From what I’ve read, the Fate/Stay visual novels are pornographic. Am I incorrect?

Jonny Mendes wrote:

Merxamers wrote:

Konopan wrote:

Merxamers wrote:

Darker than Fate/Zero? Good lord, that show had dozens of children die bloody deaths on screen. Yeah, i'll be seeing this film

I mean by that metric even Fate route is darker than Zero thanks to kotomine's gilgil battery emporium

No man, i reserve the right to call "dozens of children exploding into bloody hamburger to give birth to starfish demons" darker than "implication Gilgamesh has been eating people for a while." Even beyond kids deaths, it's a weird argument to make that Fate/Zero is somehow not as dark as F:S/N; look at the whole character arc for Kiritsugu, for goodness sakes. It's also the only anime I've seen where an innocent character is strangled to death TWICE. Also, coming into Fate Zero having only seen F:S/N and UBW, there are a couple SLIGHT SURPRISES about how terrible Sakura's childhood was.

I also think that Fate/Zero is darker than Fate/stay night.
Gen Urobuchi (Fate/Zero author) use more dark themes and gore in his works than his friend Kinoko Nasu (Fate/stay night author) and that shows in Fate/Zero.

But still Heaven's Feel route is the darker of Fate/stay night.

And, at least for me, the worse route.
When I played the game the only reason i finished the route was to get to the True End of the Realta Nua version of the game.

But I will watch the movies because how good ufotable adaptations are and maybe that would make Heaven's Feel more bearable.

The concept of EMIYA and Avenger are far darker than anything Gen wrote for Fate or ever actually.

Fuminori Sakisaka has shitty life living in a true nightmare?
He has a way out.He actually has more than one.

Everyone in Madoka?Still far from an endless afterlife where your ideals are eternally betraying you or a life of constant torture that turns you into the god of everything evil.

Ajc228 wrote:

From what I’ve read, the Fate/Stay visual novels are pornographic. Am I incorrect?

I just downloaded what I was led to believe was the newest version of Realta Nua a couple months ago, and I've read all the way through Fate, UBW, and 8 days of HF, and I've seen no questionable content. I was told at one point that they are pornographic at some point, but either they are not, or the site lied to me and I downloaded the censored version.

Ajc228 wrote:

From what I’ve read, the Fate/Stay visual novels are pornographic. Am I incorrect?

The original version of the visual novel is pornographic, but an all-ages version called Realta Nua was released later. The anime adaptations are all based on the all-ages version.

Only some scenes of the original game were pornographic. They do exist. But the vast majority of it is not. The Realta Nua version was made for the console version of the game (the original was for the PC) and all pornographic content was removed for that version.

To be more precise, pornographic content was replaced by non-pornographic alternatives.

Still find the Realta Nua title funny. (Nua means "naked" in some languages)

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