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NEWS: Yu-Gi-Oh! Franchise Gets New Anime Series in 2020 for 20th Anniversary


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Souther



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:20 pm Reply with quote
I wouldn't be adverse to a reboot, but unless they change it up by quite a bit (new cards/mechanics/duels, etc.), I don't really see the point of it. If they were to go back to Duel Monsters, I'd rather they do a sequel or movies like The Dark Side of Dimensions, which I thought was great.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:32 pm Reply with quote
I knew it was coming but they announced it a lot earlier than usual. (we typically get these sort of announcements around December) That combined with the emphasis on this being the 20th anniversary makes me think this is going to be something special. If not a reboot, perhaps Takahashi will be more involved than usual?

AmpersandsUnited wrote:
I don't really see the point. Duel Monsters does follow the story of the manga outside the very beginning of the manga. But after that, the story is more or less the same and the anime covers the rest of the manga. There's no real need for reboot.

Not entirely true. The Duelist Kingdom arc is a direct sequel to all the plot threads in Death-T, and the need to make the arc self-contained for DM resulted in some big changes. The Memory World arc also had a lot of big differences, due to them intentionally changing a lot after the manga version doing poorly in Jump Rankings. Battle City's the only arc I'd consider well-adapted, but even it had enough differences for a remake to be interesting.

Primus wrote:
The problem with a reboot is the TCG. The game has evolved so much since the original show, that I don't see Konami shedding that many gameplay mechanics. You're probably going to get a rewrite that accommodates these changes.

There is a potential workaround though. The card game releases retrained versions of cards all the time, like Celtic Guardian's Obnoxious form. They could do that for most of the cast's most outdated cards, as well as use some of their newer support cards. That way they could still promote "new" cards while giving the original manga a more faithful adaptation.
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AmpersandsUnited



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Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
Skipping the Death-T arc arguably alters Kaiba's motivations for wanting to defeat Yugi so badly. The Duel Monsters anime also made some changes to the manga like keeping characters who die in the manga alive in the anime even in the sub, toning down some of the more brutal scenes in the manga even in the subbed anime, and softening Jonouchi's gangster background, completely rewriting the Dungeon Dice monsters arc, and adding a lot of goofy filler in. The Duel Monsters anime isn't really a bad adaptation and I enjoy it a lot but I think Yugioh could benefit from a more faithful reboot, especially with fans of the original now being older.


The issue with that is GX and to a lesser extent 5Ds relies on Pegasus still being alive and not dead, so that'd be awkward and I'm not sure Konami wants to invalidate those series. And like stated, the anime did end up being more popular than the manga so we might end up with a Sailor Moon Crystal situation where it gets low-priority and questionable production values if its getting put on the backburner. I'm not adverse to a reboot but I'd rather have some kind of continuation or sequel if they're going to go back to the Duel Monsters cast.
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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:14 pm Reply with quote
I feel like my biggest problem with a sequel would be that the Dark Side of the Dimensions movie made it clear spoiler[Yami wasn't going to return] and it was a big theme of the movie, so I'm not sure how they would be able to work around that without invalidating the major themes of that movie. Duel Monsters also already works as a complete story that wrapped everything up. I wouldn't be totally opposed to a sequel, especially if Takahashi was directly involved, but a sequel would feel like even more of an unnecessary cash grab than a reboot to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:35 pm Reply with quote
A sequel series could still work if they just focused on the regular Yugi instead. Yami fans would be sorely disappointed, but I've always thought Yugi deserved some solo time in the spotlight after how Yami-centric the original was.

But I'm not sure how likely that is given Takahashi turning down previous opportunities to do such. (giving us Darkside of Dimensions instead of a sequel series, them doing Arc-V for an anniversary series instead of a sequel/reboot, etc.)
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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:05 pm Reply with quote
The other thing I wonder about if they make a reboot is if they went with the route Shout Factory did with Digimon Adventure Tri and gave it an uncut English dub with the original voice cast and dub names and optional sub track. That could be another potential appeal to a modernized reboot.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:21 pm Reply with quote
I feel like it comes down to how a reboot tackles the violence of the manga. If a reboot was just as violent as the manga (Yami and Jonouchi setting people on fire, Marik driving Arkana/Pandora to suicide, Marik's torture porn monsters, etc.), then I imagine it would be the one Yugioh series 4K Media/Konami Cross Media would pass on dubbing. But if a reboot waters it down similar to what DM/other reboots like Sailor Moon Crystal have done, then we're likely stuck with another 4Kids caliber dub.

Sadly I feel like the latter option is the more likely one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:48 pm Reply with quote
1dbad wrote:
I feel like it comes down to how a reboot tackles the violence of the manga. If a reboot was just as violent as the manga (Yami and Jonouchi setting people on fire, Marik driving Arkana/Pandora to suicide, Marik's torture porn monsters, etc.), then I imagine it would be the one Yugioh series 4K Media/Konami Cross Media would pass on dubbing. But if a reboot waters it down similar to what DM/other reboots like Sailor Moon Crystal have done, then we're likely stuck with another 4Kids caliber dub.

Sadly I feel like the latter option is the more likely one.


I doubt that will be a factor. DM had plenty of content that they just skipped over in the dub. There was still suicides, deaths, and people being tortured in the anime. There's not much they can't photoshop out or re-arrange scenes to get around. Dubs have gotten pretty good at doing that.

Ironically I think the 4Kids dub would be even more censored if it aired today. They often just airbrushed Mai's cleavage away so she had no boobs and lengthened her's and Anzu's skirt in only a few select scenes. But the later YGO series went super hard on bare skin. Every episode of Zexal they photoshopped all the girls skirts and shorts down to their knees and in ARC-V they gave Yuzu full stockings instead of zettairyouiki. Apparently legs are too taboo now for television. Kind of bizarre to think 4Kids dubs were actually slightly less censored than the modern Yu-Gi-Oh dubs. Censors are more strict now, I guess.
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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:34 pm Reply with quote
So will all the decades old jokes about "what if 4K dubbed season 0?!" come true?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:51 pm Reply with quote
El Hermano wrote:
I doubt that will be a factor. DM had plenty of content that they just skipped over in the dub. There was still suicides, deaths, and people being tortured in the anime. There's not much they can't photoshop out or re-arrange scenes to get around. Dubs have gotten pretty good at doing that.

I'm aware, but I don't think you realize the level of differences we're talking about here. Just take the Mai vs Marik duel for example. Dub had a fairly easy time editing it, since the anime changed it to Mai losing her memories when her monsters were destroyed. But the manga version is a lot more violent. She gets slashed in the chest (complete with blood squirting out), Marik's head falls off, Mai gets electrocuted while a monster drills into her skull at the same time, the loser of the duel gets devoured by flesh-eating insects, etc. Could a dub hypothetically edit all of this? Sure, but the result would be akin to 4Kids infamous One Piece dub. And that's not even getting into the things harder to work around, like Jonouchi fighting against a Leatherface-esque serial killer in Death-T.

El Hermano wrote:
Kind of bizarre to think 4Kids dubs were actually slightly less censored than the modern Yu-Gi-Oh dubs. Censors are more strict now, I guess.

Believe it or not, it's mostly the same people working on the dub even today. Rather than get a new staff to dub Yugioh, Konami decided to keep most of the 4Kids staff for consistency. I think the only reason things are even more edited nowadays is because they're editing things with other countries standards and practices in mind. (most non-Asian countries use the English dub as their base since it's cheaper and pre-edited)
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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:35 pm Reply with quote
Toei already softened their season zero anime as far as they could and it still would have been too much for 4Kids.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:08 am Reply with quote
TsukasaElkKite wrote:
I’d love a remake of the original series without filler.


I’d love an addition to the canon post-Millennium World-pre-Gx — I want to know Yugi’s story.
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El Hermano



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:56 am Reply with quote
1dbad wrote:

I'm aware, but I don't think you realize the level of differences we're talking about here. Just take the Mai vs Marik duel for example. Dub had a fairly easy time editing it, since the anime changed it to Mai losing her memories when her monsters were destroyed. But the manga version is a lot more violent. She gets slashed in the chest (complete with blood squirting out), Marik's head falls off, Mai gets electrocuted while a monster drills into her skull at the same time, the loser of the duel gets devoured by flesh-eating insects, etc. Could a dub hypothetically edit all of this? Sure, but the result would be akin to 4Kids infamous One Piece dub. And that's not even getting into the things harder to work around, like Jonouchi fighting against a Leatherface-esque serial killer in Death-T.


To be fair that happens to every adaption. Fairy Tail, One Piece and Naruto are a lot more gory in the manga than the very toned down anime versions. So the chances of a 100% adaption are usually 0% anyway...

I wouldn't be surprised though They did change buzzsaws to dark energy disks which teleport you to the shadow realm once they touched you. He'll just have a dark energy shadow realm lightsaber heh. Or they'll just skip it entirely like they did that gym teacher trying to blackmail and rape Anzu in her flashback before they enter Pegasus' castle.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:32 am Reply with quote
Oh just give all this reboot/remake talk a rest. We all know that there are changes and parts missing, but this is the case with most anime adaptations. Anime adaptations where there are little to no changes and completely faithful to the manga, filler-free, no censorship, nothing cut out with perfect pacing are very rare. Even in the most faithful adaptations, you will always find something that could be better or done differently to make it more faithful to the manga.

As for Yu-Gi-Oh! in particular, it's pointless. Other than please a rather niche group of manga purist, I don't think it would do very well. I can imagine a lot of people who had never seen the manga (or heck, even Toei's 'season 0') would be turned off by the tone and how different the early parts of the series. Due to how different it is, it would likely damage the franchise's general look of being a child-friendly card-game. And as stated before, there were changes, but pretty much everything minus the very beginning of the series had already been covered, so even if you were to rewrite the duels with new mechanics and cards, it still wouldn't be all that interesting. You would need to make changes to the plot for it to be interesting, which at that point kill the point of even making a faithful adaptation to begin with.

Just go read the manga if you're unhappy with the anime or whatever (for those who want colour, there's a digitally coloured version you can read too). Not everything needs to be adapted so perfectly that it makes reading the manga pointless.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:25 pm Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
It would probably do more to revitalize the franchise than most of the spin off AU shows have been doing and I say this as someone who has been enjoying Vrains.


I mean with the fact they been making new Yu-Gi-Oh series on a regular for the last 14 years since the 2nd series ended I don't get how essentially a remake of that series could revitalize the series. I mean when DB Battle Of The Gods came out how long had it been since Toei made a new DragonBall property (not counting that special with Vegeta's brother and that non canon Bardock special)?

Primus wrote:
The problem with a reboot is the TCG. The game has evolved so much since the original show, that I don't see Konami shedding that many gameplay mechanics. You're probably going to get a rewrite that accommodates these changes.


Hey if it leads to less instances of characters expressing disappointment and dismay at other characters using tributes to summon new monsters or the other weird shit that cropped up because of the game not having a complete set of defined rules why not Razz

El Hermano wrote:

Ironically I think the 4Kids dub would be even more censored if it aired today. They often just airbrushed Mai's cleavage away so she had no boobs and lengthened her's and Anzu's skirt in only a few select scenes. But the later YGO series went super hard on bare skin. Every episode of Zexal they photoshopped all the girls skirts and shorts down to their knees and in ARC-V they gave Yuzu full stockings instead of zettairyouiki. Apparently legs are too taboo now for television. Kind of bizarre to think 4Kids dubs were actually slightly less censored than the modern Yu-Gi-Oh dubs. Censors are more strict now, I guess.


Only networks like Nickelodeon and Disney. CN long wised up to the fact that edited anime isn't good.
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