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This Week in Anime - Why Marin is Everyone's Dress-Up Darling


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Cardcaptor Takato



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:33 am Reply with quote
On the subject of Marin being a fantasy character, how is she able to buy 18+ H-games when I assume she's like 16?
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Meongantuk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:19 am Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
On the subject of Marin being a fantasy character, how is she able to buy 18+ H-games when I assume she's like 16?

Online stores don't exactly ask you for ID, as long as you have access to credit cards (considering she lives alone and come from pretty well off family, she probably have one). A lot of physical stores are pretty lax too as long as you don't wear your school uniform when you buy it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:27 am Reply with quote
Meongantuk wrote:

Online stores don't exactly ask you for ID, as long as you have access to credit cards (considering she lives alone and come from pretty well off family, she probably have one). A lot of physical stores are pretty lax too as long as you don't wear your school uniform when you buy it.
It still feels a bit much to me with how open Marin is about her interests and casual she talks about it that I don't get the impression she's trying to sneak around that she buys 18+ H games and she also participates in official cosplay events as an 18+ character. I just would find it more believable if the MCs in Dress Up Darling were like college students but for some reason it has to be high school because anime. Though we had Blue Period last season that had the characters at least getting close to the college level.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:01 am Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
It still feels a bit much to me with how open Marin is about her interests and casual she talks about it that I don't get the impression she's trying to sneak around that she buys 18+ H games and she also participates in official cosplay events as an 18+ character. .


Not really a need to sneak around. You know how many teenagers (or younger) play M-rated games over here? Ratings stuff like that is incredibly easy to circumvent, be it by just ordering things online or finding any number of stores where the clerks don't care to ask for ID.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:28 am Reply with quote
Yttrbio wrote:

I don't think the MPDG description is saying it's a bad story. As you say, sometimes people want a fantasy. But then why get defensive about someone saying "this looks exactly like a fantasy"?


Besides, who doesn't want to be a MPDG to someone - that means ya made a difference to someone's life Laughing

(In fact, the real issue is the opposite - not enough people want to be MPDG to help someone)


Cardcaptor Takato wrote:

On the subject of Marin being a fantasy character, how is she able to buy 18+ H-games when I assume she's like 16?


Same as how ya got your dirty mags back in the day - "from a friend" Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:27 pm Reply with quote
This discussion makes me think about how the critic who coined the term "manic pixie dream girl," Nathan Rabin, wrote a whole article (https://www.salon.com/2014/07/15/im_sorry_for_coining_the_phrase_manic_pixie_dream_girl/) disavowing it. It is overstretched and overused, applied too easily to every quirky female character, regardless of context. I still use it occasionally, but only in the strictest of contexts, and Marin feeling relatable and real precludes that, especially when there are a ton of perfect cosplay girlfriend series where the descriptor is much more applicable.
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a_Bear_in_Bearcave



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:04 pm Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
Meongantuk wrote:

Online stores don't exactly ask you for ID, as long as you have access to credit cards (considering she lives alone and come from pretty well off family, she probably have one). A lot of physical stores are pretty lax too as long as you don't wear your school uniform when you buy it.
It still feels a bit much to me with how open Marin is about her interests and casual she talks about it that I don't get the impression she's trying to sneak around that she buys 18+ H games and she also participates in official cosplay events as an 18+ character. I just would find it more believable if the MCs in Dress Up Darling were like college students but for some reason it has to be high school because anime. Though we had Blue Period last season that had the characters at least getting close to the college level.

Just because she's open with her peers about it doesn't mean she's dumb enough to brag about her R-18 games in front of store clerk. And why would her cosplaying a 18+ character be any problem, as long as the character is dressed appropriately? She can just say she saw a lot of fanart of this character on Pixiv and she liked her style if anyone even bothered to demand explanations. The idea that you need to be an adult to be semi-openly into erotic stuff is simply laughable to me when I remember my teenage years, and seeing as in most Japan media it's take as granted a high-school boy has a stash of porn magasines and AV, often traded with their peers, and after seeing the gravure in teenage-oriented manga magazines that's basically softcore porn I doubt Japanese teenagers are in any way different then Polish ones.

Their characters also wouldn't really fit college students, they're both too naive and inexperienced and in case of Gojo also shy and plagued with self-doubt. I would expect they would be more mature if they were students, which would remove a lot of charm from their interactions. Besides most people I know were less into porn in student years than in high-school time, if that's what bothers you here. Anyway, the main couple have perfect characters for high-school teenagers.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:17 pm Reply with quote
Wasn't there a scene where Gojo asked Marin if these were 18+ games, and she was very obviously coy and abashed-but-not-really-abashed about replying? It's not much to go on, I guess, but I thought that made it pretty obvious that she's aware of whatever stigma / legal barriers there are, and she just worked around it in any of the many ways under-18's do everyday. I would only really be puzzled by that if she were explicitly framed as obsessively rule-following and sheltered or something; seems like a non-mystery given who she is as a character.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:38 pm Reply with quote
Wasn't Kirino playing eroge in Oreimo? It's not like it's a new thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:31 am Reply with quote
to Jean-Karlo Lemus (Green) and Steve Jones (Blue),

Wonderful Chat-Box on a currently wonderful anime! All of both your comments are just so spot-on!

I for one, fail to understand the current faux controversy going on in many fan circles about the obvious Ecchi and Hentai tropes being thrown around. This is how the author, Shinichi Fukuda, wrote and illustrated his story. The manga carries an "Parental Advisory: Explicit Content" warning. The anime is almost a frame for frame cut and paste of the manga. This is 100% Fukuda-san's story. He owns it, and it belongs to him. Anyone who does not like his story, does not have to read or watch it. The whole created controversy is slightly South of Silly Street! There is far greater value going on in this story than panty shots and Boob-bags.

That Marin and Gojo both mutually recognize and admit that they have miscommunicated together is one of the greatest story elements so far. A new relationship built on that starting foundation is strong, way strong. That Marin feels intensely how this has hurt Gojo, shows the deep sense of principle which underlies her character. Her ability to be totally honest about her feelings with herself and with others makes her the "IT" girl of the year in world fandom. She is anything but pretentious. The Marin you see, hear and are with is the "real" Marin in a world of young HS people who rarely know who or what they are!

I never knew anything about the world of Cosplay and assumed that it was just putting on a costume like kids do at Halloween. But in this story, Cosplay, is more than a costume. It's actually like being an actor on stage inhabiting totally, a character. It also indicates that a Cosplayer becomes a living doll. And this then dovetails with Gojo's love of Doll-making. In a way both Marin's nerdy interest in Cosplay and Gojo's nerdy Dolls are one and the same.

Gojo creates Shizuku-tan just like one of his Hina dolls, and he even knows her character enough to coach Marin into staying in the character of Shizuku-tan, and then complements her, "You're a fantastic sex slave, Kitagawa-san!"

When Gojo says she is beautiful, he is thinking of Shizuku-tan, the living doll whom he has made, Pygmalion style. For Gojo to think that one of his dolls is beautiful, is normal and not at all unusual. But Marin misunderstands him, and thinks that he is calling her beautiful, and begins to fall. By the time she arrives at her station, she is fully in the bloom of love. and her self interior monologue clearly states her passion and desire. Gojo is hundreds and even thousands of miles away from the same station. It will take him a very long time, and many more Cosplay events, before he finally arrives at the same station, if he ever does. After all, we don't know where this story is going.

Marin flapping her wings and Chicken hoping in the background has to be one of funniest scenes in recent memory. There is a very real reason why half-the-internet is in love with her
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