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NEWS: Evangelion: 1.0 is Now Top Grossing Eva Movie

Falling prices means that it takes more attendees to get the same gross as it would if prices were higher, because they're losing money through the declining yen. If you adjusted EOE for inflation, then at least it's mostly the same number of people, but clearly on the decline. However, with deflation, that means that there are significantly less people on the average, because they're making a smaller return based on the lower value of the ticket, in spite of the high attendance.

Falling prices means that it takes more attendees to get the same gross as it would if prices were higher, because they're losing money through the declining yen. If you adjusted EOE for inflation, then at least it's mostly the same number of people, but clearly on the decline. However, with deflation, that means that there are significantly less people on the average, because they're making a smaller return based on the lower value of the ticket, in spite of the high attendance.

Average movie price for a regular show is 1600 yen.

`Late show` price is 1200 yen.

`First of the month` price is 1000 yen.

Plus factor in the extreme lack of free time in Eva`s target market range, and the general nature of the Japanese box office in general, and you have a hit on your hands.

I don`t know what the prices were 10 years ago. Or 20. Any old-timers about?

I do not buy your guys' claims or logic that Eva is NOT dead.

Note that I did not say Eva was dead, but I said that based on what limited info has come out so far, that it does not seem to be doing as well as I would have expected, which is a bad sign.

testor: More people may have seen it, but not significantly enough people to beat the inflation-adjusted take of the first film. This would probably suggest that the fanbase for the series had expanded since EOE, but not in a huge way.

The burden of proof is not on those who say it is not dead.

Fortunately, the producers in the Japanese movie industry are not dependent on your expectations.

testorschoice wrote:

The burden of proof is not on those who say it is not dead. Fortunately, the producers in the Japanese movie industry are not dependent on your expectations.

The burden of proof is on those who are making a strong statement of some kind that they are trying to pass off as fact. Which is in fact you guys, who are adamantly stating that Eva is NOT dead, that it is alive and kicking strong. And maybe also GATSU or whoever else wants to say that Eva IS dead.

I, on the other hand, merely stated that I side with neither of you. I stated that I am uncertain, and these movie sales figures do not shift me to side with either camp. If Eva 1.0 had sold $30 million in ticket sales then I would have sided with testorschoice, etc. If Eva 1.0 had sold $1 million I would have sided with GATSU. Anywhere in the vicinity of what End of Eva made, plus or minus 20% or so, is essentially a neutral result to me.

Also keep in mind that you did not count the ticket sales of Death and Rebirth, which is essentially the same movie as End of Eva (it shows about half of End of Eva and little else). If you think about things that way, then Eva 1.0 did ATROCIOUS compared to "End of Eva" which actually raked in $20 million plus because of a greedy re-showing in theatres.

I also said that the DVD sales will probably matter more in the end than ticket sales, or at least equally as much, so keep your pants on and keep your judgements to yourself, is all I suggested. If the new Eva movies are really made to awesome production quality, the DVDs should sell well, and there are still 3 movies to come in the future. If this movie is made cheaply then the franchise is gonna fall under even if this movie had sold $30 million in tickets because the DVD won't sell well. It's still too early to say, especially for those of us who have not seen the movie for ourselves.

Finally, my expectations may or may not matter, but neither do yours. And you don't know the expectations of the producers any more than I do.

Uh, this started with Gatsu saying he thinks Eva's dead. We only said that it isn't, and demonstrated that Gatsu is using faulty data and faulty thinking.

It's neither alive nor dead? If it made roughly the same amount as the last movie and is profitable, it's still alive.

Uh, by that logic, then half of Death and Rebirth's take shouldn't be counted at all since that "little else" is half the movie of just recycled television footage.

If the movie sold $12.8 million+ in ticket sales and sold absolutely zero DVDs, it would still earn...$12.8 million+. According to another article this week, Eva 1.0 had a budget of 5-10 million. That means Eva 1.0 has already made back its budget and is in the black

We do know. That's what the official blog and the newspaper reports are for.

testorschoice wrote:

Uh, this started with Gatsu saying he thinks Eva's dead. We only said that it isn't, and demonstrated that Gatsu is using faulty data and faulty thinking.

You didn't "demonstrate" anything. Most arguments you have given so far have not made sense. Only you think they make sense, in your own illogical mind. I have addressed, and continue to address, the statements you make, but you often fail to understand and address the statements that I make.

I think it's obvious that Gatsu does not think Eva is dead right at this moment. When he says that he thinks Eva is dead, he means that he is certain the franchise is doomed to become dead or very unprofitable in the near future (say, within the next 5 years).

"It's fairly clear that Gainax milked the series for far too long to the point of irrelevance."

"It is dead, when it's already slipping, while EOE was successful enough to have a longer run."

You, on the other hand, have been arguing that the franchise is now seeing record profits, and is more healthy than ever.

Right now, I say neither of you are correct. Neither of you has the evidence to back up your claims. These figures regarding the ticket sales of Eva 1.0 are not conclusive either way. To be honest, I lean more towards Gatsu's conclusions, given the current figures. However, I admit that the current figures are certainly not proof of anything, and much is yet to be decided. The most important figures are yet to come. You, on the other hand, keep trying to use these silly figures of movie sales to prove a case that the Eva franchise is doing well, which is simply not a convincing argument. You have given many illogical arguments, and re-iterated again and again that you have shown that Eva is doing well, but that's not proof.

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It's neither alive nor dead? If it made roughly the same amount as the last movie and is profitable, it's still alive.

You're just being a smart-aleck here. Like I just said above, it's obvious that Eva is currently alive. It's not dead yet. That's not what we are talking about.

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Uh, by that logic, then half of Death and Rebirth's take shouldn't be counted at all since that "little else" is half the movie of just recycled television footage.

No, this is only by your illogical "logic" that no one else but you subscribes to. And even if this were true, the sales from 'End of Eva' + '1/2 of Death and Rebirth' is still about 40% more than the sales of Eva 1.0.

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If the movie sold $12.8 million+ in ticket sales and sold absolutely zero DVDs, it would still earn...$12.8 million+. According to another article this week, Eva 1.0 had a budget of 5-10 million. That means Eva 1.0 has already made back its budget and is in the black

If an article can't decide for itself if Eva 1.0 had a budget of 5 million or 10 million, then that article has doesn't know how much Eva 1.0 actually cost to produce.

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We do know. That's what the official blog and the newspaper reports are for.

If you want other people to believe you, you must show your sources.