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ryujin jakka



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:49 pm Reply with quote
bennyb wrote:
my opinion: Cool to see people under the branch of a nationally-popular religion accepting anime and even using it as a tool to teach the ethics/morals of their faith! Kudos! Very Happy


I agree with you!

Plus Sorry if I seemed alittlebit Upset up there. Very Happy



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Wolverine Princess



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:20 pm Reply with quote
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I think the same applies here. The owner of CAA feels talking about NGE causes flame wars (Has happened in the past many times) thus feels the need that we are not responsible enough for having a mature and intellectual discussion about NGE. Although we (or you) may feel this is unfair, (as a good number of us are quite intellectual and mature) we must obey the owner, as she feels it is in her best judgement to ban such a topic.


Why not just grow up and learn to discuss things civilly?

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All you people seem to say things such as "only if the mods were less lenient on rule breakers". So would you rather see all NGE topic starters banned? Theres a double-standard on your end. I find it funny how you say CAA lives by a double-standard, yet you are also on a double-standard by saying mods should have more guts to ban members.


We're talking about if the bans were retracted and the mods were stricter, and I don't really think of that as a double standard.

I'll make an analogy: say there's a piece of dog poo [the bans] sitting out in your neighbor's backyard [the CAA] that Billy's [the users who frequent the site] mom [the moderators] has literally cemented to the ground [enforcing the bans]. There's also a cupcake [free speech] sitting on top of it. Billy has bad eyesight and usually wears glasses, but today he forgot them. He doesn't even notice the cupcake is there, and he's just going to eat the poo because his mom put it there and he wants to please her [people living under the bans]. He's been eating poo for so long, he even thinks he likes it and wishes it weren't any other way [the fact that the user don't even care because they've been using this site for so long]. Is it a double standard for us to wish the poo was removed so Billy could eat the cupcake, even though we know it's not possible? Some people think, "It's that family's private property [it's their website], it's their rules, and we have no business looking at them and talking about their private lives." But there is no fence [the fact nothing is private on the internet] surrounding that family's backyard, and we can look in if we want too. Yes, it's nosy, but what's stopping us? We're nosy people, and we like talking about other people's lives. What else is there to do in this neighborhood? Watch fansubs at Youtube's house?

We're not bashing the CAA. We just wish Billy's mom would let him eat the cupcake.
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excel958



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:28 pm Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
What I think is the most sad about this is that according to the Bible (you know, that big book that Christians are supposed to read and follow daily?), Christians are supposed to be slow to speak and to love thy neighbors AND their enemies yet the members of a Christian-themed anime site are too immature to handle doing that if they wind up getting controversial topics banned yet the members of a non-Christian-themed anime site like ANN can.

How is loving my neighbor and enemies relevant to being able to properly handle a discussion?
Kouji wrote:
What kind of image is that giving Christians? Yes, I know, not all Christians are too immature to handle discussing the Christian symbolism in Evangelion or the moralities of Gravitation, but CAA having to ban these discussions because their members can't follow the bible long enough to love thy neighbors and their enemies isn't exactly giving them a good image to non-Christians.

Again, having different opinions about an anime that makes much heated debate doesn't mean one debater doesn't platonically love another.
Kouji wrote:
Having said that, I'm surprised FMA didn't wind up on their ban list. I mean, the main character of the show is agnostic and the first episode involves Ed disproving a whole religion and the series even tends to borderline anti-Christian in later episodes.

A series isn't banned because the main character is an atheist, a series is banned because it sparks a lot of heated debate. Please read some of the previous posts before making a statement like this.
Daemonblue wrote:
And yes, I AM comparing them to communists because technically they are, but not in the sense of the word that people have come to known, but rather as people who work together towards a common goal, or a commune.

I think Godwin's Law applies here Rolling Eyes
Dargonxtc wrote:
Maybe they are not lazy now. But it was a rule created out of laziness.

Didn't Tony K previously lock this topic because we started talking about theology and doctrine? It was (before it got unlocked, giving one more chance) is he being lazy? Not letting us talk just because we got a little off-topic? I don't see that as lazy.
bluepita wrote:
If it's filled with young teens, it's probably true. In my experience, Wolverine Princess is one of a kind.)

The site pretty much has all ranges of people. Most are actually late teens/early 20s. But we do have a large number of those 15 and under.
ryujin jakka wrote:
I have been follwoing this thread for a while now and I have refrained from speaking, but no longer will I idealy sit by and watch this "Christian" give the rest of us Christians Bad name's.

I Like Jesus, I like anime. Gantz, and NGE are the Shit! So is Jesus. The CAA just likes to stomp on free speech. Isn't This supposed to be " One nation under God". A nation created for freedom and Justice and Peace. Let people discuss what they want and Let it go at that!

We are not all THAT INMATURE! Mad

How am I giving you a bad name? Nothing is wrong with liking some anime that has some immoral implications, (besides the obvious hentai) we believe that one should simply be careful when viewing such a thing.

Oh and since any forum have free speech? None that I've seen before. So I guess ever forum stomps on free speech eh?

I also never said Christians were immature. Just that some CAA members might possibly be immature.
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OnePieceFANatic



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:33 pm Reply with quote
Such a touching story, I'm sure.

However, billy can't leave his house now can he? What can kids with bad eyesight do in this vast and cruel world on their own? With no one to look after them? *sniff*

How my heart aches for the users of CAA, such opression, such harshness, oh why?! Why must people be so- Oh wait, they're apparently happy there, and like it just how it is, because unlike billy, they can leave whenever they feel like it. Hmm...yet, strangely, they haven't. What could be wrong here... wait, is it possible that animenewsnetwork and CAA are the only anime sites left on the internet?! Can it be?!?

Oh yeah, and don't forget, billy's mom placed poop there. But that doesn't make restrictions on some discussions equivalent to poop now does it? Yes, that's right, it's opinions we're dealing with here Very Happy
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Dargonxtc



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:33 pm Reply with quote
Wow Princess Very Happy

You know you have come to the pinnacle of an argument when you have to analogize agitable rules to dog poo. Very Happy

Kind of lost my appetite hearing that Billy started to like to eat it though.
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excel958



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:35 pm Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
Why not just grow up and learn to discuss things civilly?

Why not ask the owner of CAA and find out?
Wolverine Princess wrote:
We're not bashing the CAA. We just wish Billy's mom would let him eat the cupcake.

Dispite how much you wish, you are not Billy's parents. Thus dispite what you want, you have no control over Billy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:45 pm Reply with quote
excel958 wrote:
Oh and since any forum have free speech? None that I've seen before. So I guess ever forum stomps on free speech eh?


Eh? I can think of quite a few, you just haven't been around enough. Most notably, certain areas of 4chan allow literally anything besides illegal content (child porn).
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Wolverine Princess



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:45 pm Reply with quote
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Oh wait, they're apparently happy there, and like it just how it is, because unlike billy, they can leave whenever they feel like it.


Who said Billy's mom locks him in his room all day like those kids from Flowers in the Attic? He can go watch fansubs at Youtube's house if he wants to, too. He just loves his mom very much and hangs out at the house all day because it's air conditioned [still a place where Christain anime fans can meet each other, despite the rules and bans]. I'm sure everyone here agrees that the concept of air conditioning is a good idea, but putting dog droppings with cupcakes in their backyard is a silly way to get Billy to hang around the house. I'm sure we'd all like the site better if Billy's mom just baked cupcakes for all his friends with no poop attatched.
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Dargonxtc



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:59 pm Reply with quote
excel958 wrote:
Dargonxtc wrote:
Maybe they are not lazy now. But it was a rule created out of laziness.

Didn't Tony K previously lock this topic because we started talking about theology and doctrine? It was (before it got unlocked, giving one more chance) is he being lazy? Not letting us talk just because we got a little off-topic? I don't see that as lazy.
No he wasn't. This an anime forum, our limits to our discussions are that it must be related to anime or manga or the industry. This topic is related to anime only to the fact that we are talking about another forums[one that talks about anime] rules, and the banning of certain discussions. He saw that it was turning into a theoalogy discussion, not related to anime or the topic at hand. Hence the lock. The fact that it got re-opened simply shows a Mod with good-nature, as it would have been completely right to remain locked. That and I think he realized it is kinda hard to talk about a Christian website, and completly not talk about religion. That is different than saying ok, "from this day forth no talking about NGE. Yeah I know it is an anime but my mods just hate cleaning things up." The rule was made to relieve pressure on the mods, and in my opinion the rule was made out of laziness.


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frentymon
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:59 pm Reply with quote
I've noticed that fansub debates around here pretty much always leads to flaming (if not page 11, then page 15), and yet, they're still allowed. So if I understand correctly, titles are banned at CAA just because some people throw a ruckus about it? Might as well start up a controversy (and get a bunch of friends) in the Haruhi thread, maybe it will become banned from discussion.
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excel958



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:01 pm Reply with quote
frentymon wrote:
I've noticed that fansub debates around here pretty much always leads to flaming (if not page 11, then page 15), and yet, they're still allowed. So if I understand correctly, titles are banned at CAA just because some people throw a ruckus about it? Might as well start up a controversy (and get a bunch of friends) in the Haruhi thread, maybe it will become banned from discussion.

I think the issue here is that people are comparing ANN and CAA. CAA has an owner with a different set of opinions, thus her judgement. The owner(s) of ANN think differently, thus it's a bit more liberal. (A say a bit because everyone is making such a huge fuss as to why we can't discuss NGE)

Oh and the Haruhi thread is pretty civil.
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OnePieceFANatic



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:06 pm Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
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Oh wait, they're apparently happy there, and like it just how it is, because unlike billy, they can leave whenever they feel like it.


Who said Billy's mom locks him in his room all day like those kids from Flowers in the Attic? He can go watch fansubs at Youtube's house if he wants to, too. He just loves his mom very much and hangs out at the house all day because it's air conditioned [still a place where Christain anime fans can meet each other, despite the rules and bans]. I'm sure everyone here agrees that the concept of air conditioning is a good idea, but putting dog droppings with cupcakes in their backyard is a silly way to get Billy to hang around the house. I'm sure we'd all like the site better if Billy's mom just baked cupcakes for all his friends with no poop attatched.


Restrictions=/=dog droppings. Maybe they do in your opinion though. I am of the opinion that banning discussions about hentai is a good thing. I see it as sprinkles on the cupcakes, and who's to say I'm wrong?

Basically, everything the site is doing is legitimate and perfectly ok and reasonable to some, but others may not have this same idea. To say that they shouldn't do what they are doing, and getting people to gang up on their ideas, and call them lazy or compare them to stalin just because they don't agree with your ideal view, is selfish. In my opinion, that's dog droppings. And to top it all off, it's not your site, and you don't have any power to change that. Truly a futile argument.
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frentymon
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:16 pm Reply with quote
See, locking a particular thread that has gone beyond control is not a bad thing, but banning a title altogether leads to generalizations and misinformation about the title/genre. There are many tame hentai titles which is not much more than love story + some sex, but banning it might easily lead some to the conclusion that all hentai is S&M and tenticle rape. Banning a title that is simply "controversial" leads to the forming idea that this particular title is "evil".

I don't really care what they do, but I am of the opinion that what they are doing is not in their best interest.
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Kouji



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:17 pm Reply with quote
excel958 wrote:
Kouji wrote:
What I think is the most sad about this is that according to the Bible (you know, that big book that Christians are supposed to read and follow daily?), Christians are supposed to be slow to speak and to love thy neighbors AND their enemies yet the members of a Christian-themed anime site are too immature to handle doing that if they wind up getting controversial topics banned yet the members of a non-Christian-themed anime site like ANN can.

How is loving my neighbor and enemies relevant to being able to properly handle a discussion?

A series isn't banned because the main character is an atheist, a series is banned because it sparks a lot of heated debate. Please read some of the previous posts before making a statement like this.

It's relevant because if these "Christians" learned how to "practice what you preach" and treated each other with love and respect like the bible teaches them to do, then their heated debates never would've turned into childish flame wars. So, if a series isn't banned because of it's content but because it sparked heated debate, can we talk about Sukisho, Fake, and Loveless on their forums since Gravitation was the only shounen-ai anime on their ban list?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:00 pm Reply with quote
One thing to clarify: banning talking about hentai is NOT the same in the slightest as banning talking about NGE. What's the difference? Hentai is porn, and porn is a legally restricted substance in nearly every country. For children under the legal age to watch hentai is illegal; thus, while talking about it MAY not be illegal in and of itself, it is not really appropriate in an all ages forum.

You're doing it too Onepiecefanatic:
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To say that they shouldn't do what they are doing, and getting people to gang up on their ideas, and call them lazy or compare them to stalin just because they don't agree with your ideal view, is selfish. In my opinion, that's dog droppings. And to top it all off, it's not your site, and you don't have any power to change that. Truly a futile argument.

You're bringing up the exact same idea that's already been discussed a hundred times on this thread. We disagree, just because it's not in our power to change something, doesn't mean we should just look the other way. Obviously as I said before, I don't care enough to change the site, but I do have a moral problem with their policy.

excel958 wrote:
Other posts in the thread prove otherwise. If you look back a few pages, people continually ask the same question over and over. The same question(s) which I was answering to, thus me reiterating my point. No need to get fussy.


You think so? Fine, then quote them. But since you seem to be misunderstanding at least one or two of the people, I'd wager most people are surprised some titles haven't been banned because their content is JUST AS EASILY (or moreso) flame fodder as anything on the banned list.

excel958 wrote:
I don't see how it is immoral. Unfair? Possibly to some people. But unethical? Most certaintly not. It wouldn't be immoral if you felt you should ban all forms of cookies in your house because your children were not responsible enough to not indulge.


Here's where your analogy falls flat, you have to live in the parent's house that bans cookies. A better analogy for you would be such: imagine the mall that you and your friends liked to go to decided that it was getting dirty, so they banned shoes. Banned shoes? wth is that? While it is obviously a bad policy for business, it is a very stupid policy in general. All you have to do to take care of the dirt tracked by customers is to hire more janitors.
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