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CrowLia
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^If you're going to reply with a one-liner, take the time to read what others have explained repeatedly in this thread. Even if CR has some shared licenses with Funimation, most of them are not available in regions that Funimation doesn't cover because Funimation gets exclusive rights for most of its shows. You may be able to watch Attack on Titan on Crunchyroll in the US, but not in Latin America. And it's not even common that Funi shows end up in CR too. From last year I'm pretty sure only Akatsuki no Yona was a shared license and I don't think there was any of them this year. Heck this year's Ninja Slayer was supposedly intended to be a worldwide stream, but since Funi got it, guess what, it wasn't. It's not gratuitous that all CR Latin American users curse every license that Funimation gets, especially since last year when they started to increase the amount of simulcasts they got. Every simulcast that Funi gets is literally screwing out everyone this side of the border
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Drunk Samurai
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Not sure where I see a problem considering those streams are most likely not available no matter who gets them. That's the main reason I support piracy. We need a worldwide distribution system. A steam system for manga/anime would be best. |
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CrowLia
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Your previous post made it seem like you were disagreeing with Adamanto (who claimed that Funimation licenses pretty much screw everyone outside of the US) by saying CR has Funi streams too. I have no idea what you're arguing for
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Drunk Samurai
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I'm arguing for worldwide releases. |
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CandisWhite
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I take umbrage at the idea that I am an "elitist" for suggesting that people who buy used product, simply because it is cheaper, are not supporting the manga industry as much as those who buy brand-new copies. That is not elitism: That is basic economics. I think that you missed my first comment where I quoted a commenter who disagreed with another person, who had posted the idea that profits from used sales don't make it back to the creators and that this was a bad thing, because he/she did not have much money and needed to sell old things in order to buy new ones; My point was that I believed the original person was referring to cheapskates and not to people with less money, thus cutting the latter out of the equation; I, also, outright stated, in my second comment, that buying out-of-print was a-okay, and that this was not a financial competition. My point was the very opposite of elitism: When people (consumers and employers) pay their way for what they can afford to, the world runs in a much smoother manner; Money is moved around in a much more equitable way. Yes, it is the right of people to make legal purchases of anything that they want; Purchasing manga used, entirely, is legal and it is the right of a person to do so. The economics, however, of such a consumer spending pattern is that less new manga will be translated, or even made, because less profits will be earned; If literally every person bought manga used, NO new manga would be made and we would just be circulating old works. When I refer to people who buy still-available manga ( a product that is nowhere in the price range of Cristal or Rolex) used, when they can afford to buy it new, I am referring to the Scrooge McDucks who are more than capable of buying four bottles of Coke but buy one, and then get four straws, just to save a buck. The culture of "cheap, cheap, cheap" is entirely legal but it is one that should not be free from criticism, neither for consumers nor employers; The consequences of such a culture are awful and far-reaching. {Fixed your over-quoting. ~nobahn} |
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TarsTarkas
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In order to have a used manga sale, you must first have a new manga sale. Then some time has to pass for the owner to get tired or run out of space, for the decision to sell their manga (or donate to the library) to come to pass.
Who buys a brand new manga to immediately sell it to a used vendor. You might as well read it (grazing) in the bookstore. Used sales have no significant impact on new manga sales. People who buy manga new, will keep buying manga new, except for those instances when their title is OOP. Solely buying used manga is a problematic choice. You are going to have to wait for used manga to become available, you are taking significant chances that some of your favorite title's volumes will never be available or the condition will be less than nice. I just don't see people clamoring over for used manga sales. |
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Alan45
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I'm going to have to agree with Tars Tarkus here.
I've known people who bought manga on sale or used because it was all they could afford. I've known people to buy manga used because they are late to the party and it is out of print. However I don't think I have ever known someone who could afford new manga and bought it used just to save a buck. Since most manga is part of a multi-volume series, waiting for it to become available used is a mug's game. Invariably one or more volumes gets scary expensive or become impossible to find. There may be some people out there who can afford to buy their manga new and refuse to do so, however, I doubt there are enough of them to be worth worrying about. Being an anime and manga fan and collector is really expensive. Any legal way of making a dollar go further is fair game as far as I can see. |
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Ali07
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Ah, yes, the discussion that started with someone saying that buying used manga was worse than piracy.
Also, CandisWhite, I'm in agreement with you. The best way to support the industry is buying things new, even better if you pre-order ahead of time. And, I believe (may be wrong here) that the reason Cutiebunny brought up the whole "elitist" tag is because of what you said. To say that you'd "think less" of someone due to their spending habits does lend itself to someone believing you have an elitist attitude. For me, that was the only thing I disagreed with. I wouldn't judge someone on their spending habits, when we're talking about a hobby. Sure, I'd like those that can afford to buy manga new to do so, but I'd also like to believe that those that can afford to but still buy used...are a very small amount of people. |
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dark13
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Adamanto said it best Viz doesn't Give crap about the rest of the world so why should I care if they don't ? Ali07 seems ton have a problem with me buying my anime and Manga new, first off your comment makes you sound like an elitist prick I Still buy my anime manga still watching them for free online funny enough I'm watching shows that are not license here like slap up party arad senki your gonna tell me that wrong two
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Dude, your post makes no sense at all. What point are you even trying to make? Ali07 wasn't saying that at all. They were saying that another user's comments came off as elitist. They didn't mention anything about people buying new anime/manga.
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dark13
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Alan45
Village Elder Posts: 9861 Location: Virginia |
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@dark13
Ali07 didn't claim to know you, he clearly said he was responding to what you had written in this thread. If he didn't understand you correctly that is likely because you are not the clearest writer here. I see nothing elitist in his post unless you consider paying for what you take to make one part of an elite group. Several people have tried to explain to you that not every site on the internet providing free anime is legal. What you do with this information is entirely up to you. Whether your use of pirate sites makes you a bad guy depends entirely on how flexible your conscience is. No one here can tell you what sites to use. |
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dark13
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( If I can't watch any of these shows legally what else is there ?) You speak of legal streaming But everyone knows that bull -_- ( from the many comments I seen here people agree with that ) There is reasoning behind this Hulu-exclusivity. Content embedded from that platform generates a substantially higher amount of ad-revenue, and Viz has not been the only company guilty of going down this path. ( its like the rest of the world who love anime don't exist and I'm not just talking about me in Canada Not sure why you find this so hard to understand ) But I will do what I keep doing, I want to get these thoughts out since I never got a chance to . |
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Blanchimont
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Dude, I'm not seeing how either of them are attacking your person or coming across as elitist, even after reading the posts those quotes refer to? And if you buy merchandise, unless it's knock-offs, good, that's one form of support, but using that fact to make a justification for piracy however, don't. It's comparing apples to oranges.... Look, if something is unavailable(outside US&Canada etc), or too pricey(residents in poorer countries etc), then pirate away, it won't make you any more or less of a fan, at least not in my book(besides, I pirate too...). But I do have to wonder, for a Canadian with English as first language, who also often comments on translations, your posts make me scratch my head when reading. Dyslexia?  ...
Also, as far as being someone who collects anime merchandise(?), your complaints in a few earlier posts on this site of too high subscription fees for streaming sites strikes as a bit odd?... |
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dark13
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