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BadNewsBlues
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For me is was day to day talking about what happened on DragonBall Z and then wondering when the rest of the Namek arc was going to air :S But yeah they probably could afford to give subscribers a choice. Though that would probably give them an excuse to add tiers and another sub hike. |
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Key
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And what is your claim that CR/Sony is trying to "do" to anime fandom, exactly? Stick it to fandom just because some won't be able to watch new shows for free on a week delay? Encourage people to pirate more? Piracy not going to grow much (if at all) because of this because IT'S ALREADY THAT BIG. The decision is not going to hurt the growth of anime fandom or the rampant popularity of certain titles because there are so many ways out there to get around this. Anime fandom is so much more robust now than it was 20 years ago (in the earliest days of digital distribution) that this decision will, in the long run, barely cause a ripple. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Manusia_sampah
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Why do many people think CR is the only big player in the anime market, you don't know bilibili? I think so, not many US people know bilibili global/bstation. they (bstation) have almost every anime title every season. Also old titles, English subtitles, free, no ads, and of course legal. Or is bstation not available in the U.S?
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Covnam
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The only thing carried by them (at least by a quick check on their website) seems to be chinese productions. Which makes sense since CR, HiDive etc all have the US licenses. |
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zrdb
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Since you don't seem to like my comments because they're always being deleted I'll simply say this. Shit like the behemoth is pulling encourages people to "pirate" (really shitty choice of terms) anime and I've got news for ya-it's on the increase and ain't gonna stop anytime soon.
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Villain-chan
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That said i will point out some things here. First, everyone is making a big deal about this, regardless of whether this has an effect or not this alone shows fans give a crap if the free with ads option goes away. 2nd, regardless of whatever u believe, anime is for more than just kids and is for everyone of all ages and while its true that there are a LOT of pirates, there are ALSO a lot of anime fans who don't pirate, I'm sure many of which use the ad free ver and am sure they're fans of all ages and not just kids with no allowance cus last I checked, most of the population is not rich, most lvie pay check to pay check and so on and I have no doubt many can't even afford a $8 sub for a month to CR/Sony to watch anime, much less each month so taking away the ad free ver where they could still support and have anime to watch doesn't sit well with me nor with a large amount of anime fans. 3rdly, its clear by how Sony reached out to ya'll that fans care SO MUCH that they're having to do PR and damage control, that alone should speak VOLUMES to how many care and I have no doubt that many are those who're directly being affected by this. Lastly, neither u nor I can predict the future, this alone may have a ripple affect or, it might be this + something else in the future that leads everyone to piracy. Or maybe tis as u said, nothing comes of it. However the possibility for something to come of it to harm the anime fandom is there and that cannot be disputed otherwise u'r just being ignorant and not willing to consider the possibility or hear what others are saying. Personally, I feel as large as piracy is AND knowing that its becus fans are able to watch anime for free and let them try out shows leads to a sale increase in merch where as without that option, it leads to lost sales, lost views and so on, that this is why this, removing the free with ads option (I mean its still here kinda but not as it was b4, certainly not for airing anime) is such a bad move and will lead to lost sales in anime merch and BDs which, lest I need to say this, how much of someone's sub money is REALLY GOING to the ones making the anime? (Both the studios, the people in the studio that makes the anime and the creators of said works) Not much from what i understand, if anything. So this alone already means u have lost some sales for anime merch and BDs cus some who refuse to pirate will not be able to watch anime anymore which is wrong. Likewise, those that didn't pirate b4 most likely will pirate now, having lost their only means of a legal free option for a lot of shows airing which is also wrong to put someone ina sitch of No anime period unless u pirate. ^ This is why so many r upset with this move, becus they KNOW it ain't right and does affect the fandom, no matter how big or small. I got nothing left to say on this unless we get new info or I wanna reply to someone's post lol |
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Key
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Sorry, but this is a specious argument. Fans who can't (or won't) afford an $8 a month subscription can't/won't afford to buy anime merch and BDs, either. So whatever minor support they're offering - which could only be coming through unblocked ads - is minimal at best. As for the rest, no, I can't predict the future exactly, but I can extrapolate based on more than two decades of experience closely watching the anime fan scene. Anime fans love to whine and moan over every little perceived slight from "evil" corporations and companies, doomsay over things that affect only a tiny portion of the fandom, think they're entitled to free access to everything (admittedly, this is a more recent trend), and ignore any practical economics because it's a hobby and fans have to be pandered to even if it runs a company into bankruptcy. They don't save their energy for things that actually do matter. So to slightly adjust something I said earlier, based on past trends I've observed, I think it's very highly likely that this will not ultimately create more than a ripple on the anime scene and am still firmly convinced that a lot of people are vastly overestimating how many viewers will be affected by this. |
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enurtsol
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Actually, Disney will but at a lower price Disney+ to Introduce an Ad-Supported Subscription Offering in Late 2022 - Will Provide Greater Accessibility to a Broader Audience and Give Consumers More Choice and Control |
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Just Passing Through
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Sonycrunchmation may be right or wrong with this move, but I can't help but think that when it comes to a gateway for new fans, they may not have locked the gate, but they have put a bouncer on the door.
You can watch the old stuff, but not the new. For now. It's like they can't handle too many new fans. |
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Zalis116
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I agree, and we've already got proof to the contrary: the late 2000s US market crash. More viewers watching for free via piracy didn't lead to more anime sales, and many of the companies that scaled back or closed down during that time also had divisions selling manga, soundtracks, merchandise, etc.. Those divisions didn't see surges in sales from the imaginary "saw the anime for free, now wants ancillary products" crowd, and were often one of the first things shuttered by companies trying to stay afloat. Not to mention, manga and music are/were just as pirateable as the anime themselves.
If you can't see it happening, that you haven't been paying attention. When it comes to the anime piracy scene, the overwhelming majority of users opt for streaming, as seen by the download counts on major torrent sites and the view counts on bootleg streaming sites. The overwhelming majority doesn't care about the technical quality of what they're watching, since bootleg streams are primarily worse-quality re-encodes of videos ripped from legal sites (with the same official translations, of course). They just want it fast and free, and bootleg streams provide that for them. Maybe some care about being able to download from illegal streaming sites, but I see a lot of "I only use mobile devices / I don't want to clutter up my hard drive" sentiment out there. And even among the small minority that downloads, most go for the 1:1 legal-stream-rips, not any of the versions that might be better quality. Besides, isn't the low monthly cost of a streaming subscription (relative to disc purchases) kind of a trade-off for not having permanent ownership of the content? The complaints that legal streaming sites don't allow downloads are reminiscent of buffet restaurant patrons complaining that they're not allowed to take home as much food as they want. |
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Alan45
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Apparently there is some capability of monitoring the amount of traffic on the know larger pirate sites. It would be very instructive to know if the next few months shows an increase in that traffic as predicted by many on this thread and the other threads covering the changes to Crunchyroll/Funimation.
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enurtsol
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Anything Marvel has been leaving Netflix towards Disney Plus (who now owns Marvel), so it's still available, just on another streaming site
Unfortunately for people in poorer regions of the world (where a lot of pirate numbers come from), some companies don't care much if they pirate since companies can't get much money out of them anyways (and it may even cost the companies more money to make it available there than the income they may earn there, i.e. negative cash flow) |
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