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ZiharkXVI
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Quite the contrary. Your premise is that boys wont read or watch a story that is good if the main person is a girl and that girls just have to settle for what's available. I dont think that's ever been true. My theory is that done correctly, a story surpasses such restricting ideas as what gender the characters are. Take fairytales for example - regardless of gender of main character, boys and girls both are drawn to these forays into the human experience. Those stories are actually universal. There are of course stories that tailor more towards a man or womans experience, but I've found again, if done correctly they can attract both genders easily. My conclusion is it is not the gender of a character that defines the popularity of a story, but the story itself. Although I will posit an additional theory that isn't as popular...there are experiences in each gender that stories reflect not because of societal pressure, but of deeply psychological experiences that cannot be separated from what it means to be human. |
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Super_M
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Yes, I agree that girls like male characters but they focus on male characters because main target audience are boys. https://imgur.com/a/fmrKSlh I don't deny that Kimetsu might have big girls fanbase (maybe even majority) but I don't believe everything what I read on internet too. There are so many thing that can skew statistic. For example famous half of gamers are girls which is true if you count mobile games but typical console player will be men. Last edited by Super_M on Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:57 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Gina Szanboti
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ZiharkXVI
Well, people have been saying that Demon Slayer was on the chopping block until the author cut back on Nezuko's role, after which it became very popular. So was it not a good story up until she was literally put to sleep? I'm also not sure how you think there's never been a dearth of adventure series and movies with strong female leads. Male roles in movies outnumber female roles on the order of 2 to 1 now, and that's after some improvement in the balance (only a few years ago it was more than 4 to 1).* Also see the ridiculous backlash against the recent Star Wars movies and Captain Marvel, solely for having a female lead (legit non-backlash criticisms are not what I'm talking about here. I mean the dudebros trashing CM everywhere they could before it even released, and the stupid video re-tellings with all the female characters edited out of them). * Of the superhero and sci-fi films in wide release 2009-2018: 14% had female solo leads, compared to 55% with male solo leads and 31% with male/female co-leads. In the last five years, 53% have had female solo or co-leads, compared to 36% between 2009 and 2013. So things have improved, but what women accept in their entertainment now has been shaped by decades of not having a lot of other choices that would allow them to be as exclusionary as apparently many guys still are. Also, women are not threatened by seeing men in lead roles, whereas many men seem to feel like they're being replaced when they see women in lead roles or that "settling" for watching women kick ass is somehow emasculating, hence the backlash. TarsTarkas - yep Xena was great, but remember that a large portion of her appeal was that no one had seen anything like her on tv before. There were female heroines before her, but they tended to be costume mannequins that girl-slapped the villains or used weapons that kept their hands clean. When Xena punched a guy out, you felt like he'd been well and truly punched. |
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ZiharkXVI
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Couple of points here that are not the thrust of what I'm proposing, but I think you focus too much on one aspect and miss other circumstances. Let me dispense with the recent movies and backlash talk. I dont believe for a second that any personality speaking out against women destroyed the last jedi's popularity. The movie was hot garbage, and the characters sucked, both male and female (I'm a SW fan from the old days, so double the dislike from me). Everything felt forced, and the story was a winding mess that frankly was very disappointing. That's my subjective take, but I think if we are honest here, there are a lot of stories that attempt to cover up their failings by suggesting it was audience bias. But let's discuss what you just said about Kimetsu, which is fascinating actually. If true that the author had to cut out more Nezuko to increase popularity, then it suggests that more girls (which seem to be a large portion of the audience according to the other post), desired less of the focus on the female character. This might break down in stats, but that seems to result in a strange hypothesis of girls not wanting girls to be the main character. I'm not making that hypothesis btw, since I cant verify anything you presented. My guess would be that the reason the story may have suffered in the manga is because if you split your focus between characters, there sometimes is a very popular character that people simply gravitate to and want more of. Give the audience more of a popular character, and you will succeed. My hypothesis is that people may have really loved the main character (which I quite agree with - he is an inspiring character). |
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KarlFranz
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One of the first manga i ever read was Cardcaptor Sakura and it frankly baffle me how someone could think that boys and girls can only like story that the MC share the same sex with them. People like good story and good characters. Movies like the New Ghostbuster failed not because the cast are female, it failed cause it suck and it isn't funny. |
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Gina Szanboti
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Or that there were not enough girls reading to constitute the totals they were looking for, so they sidelined Nezuko to attract more boys as new readers. Or maybe they were looking for a specific demographic, period. When Avatar the Last Airbender was airing, Nickelodeon was not at all pleased by the demographics that were making it a hit (their advertisers were after boys, not girls), and Mattel/Fisher Price refused to make action figures of the main female characters because "boys won't buy them." After much protest, I think they finally made one figure of Katara, but still none of Toph. But basically you're right, without full stats breakdown, we can't know, but there's more than one equally likely hypothesis. |
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Dab1za9
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There is nothing to skew statistics here since it looks on who is buying the manga in different stores and if you went to any Kimetsu event in Japan you will find the majority to be females. This Line for example was people waiting to receive a postcard for Zenitsu birthday and most of them were females. https://blog-imgs-129.fc2.com/y/a/r/yarakan/EDhy6JPUcAAGX-Y.jpg |
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Key
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I've run across this kind of attitude on occasion over the years (and not just with anime) and, as a guy, I've never understood it. Ever since growing out of my Conan the Barbarian phase (which occupied most of my teen years), I've typically preferred stories centered around heroines. The strong heroines which emerged in Marvel Comics' team titles during the '80s and the movie Aliens probably had a lot to do with that, and characters like Xena, Buffy, and Ayla (from Jane Auel's Earth Children series) probably helped cement that. I've always found the perspective that isn't mine to be fascinating, I guess, and I certainly don't feel like I'm being replaced, emasculated, or threatened by any of them (or the likes of Karigan from the Green Rider series, for instance). Hence I see people who are as immature sexists. |
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KarlFranz
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The Drum Demon power is just the worse version of the Biwa Playing demon, no wonder he got kick out of the 12.
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Connor Dino
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Train puns to a minimum? Good, I'd hate to see your reviews go off thr rails. It is important to keep things on track. Just keep chugging along and conduct yourself properly. Yes, yes this is your platform and I get it, trains are a broad topic, but don't get tunnel vision. If you get your signals crossed, fans will get steamed. Be warned, people will call you crazy for liking trains, that you have a locomotive.
I will allow you this: Puns about monorails always make for decent one-liners. |
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Gina Szanboti
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^ I'm all aboard with everything you said.
I was expecting this episode to be all decompression, but instead it started out with a magnificently realized slaughterhouse. My only tiny quibble is that I have no idea why it's called the Infinite Train. I would've liked a brief word or two of explanation about what the deal is. Looked like an ordinary train, except for not seeming to have any passengers on it. I also really loved Tanjirou's good-byes. He is a good son, isn't he. |
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GrilleSechsH
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Lower Moon already told you what his blood art is. |
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Gina Szanboti
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I assume you mean the surviving Lower Demon Moon, but a) I don't recall him saying anything about his Blood Art and b) therefore don't know what bearing that has on it being called the Infinite Train, since the Hashira were already calling it that without knowing he was going to be involved. So perhaps you could impart a bit more wisdom to this ignorant soul? |
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Super_M
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I had pretty good time watching Kimetsu. I hope Kimetsu will be enough popular to adapt all manga. Kimetsu had great animation so I hope ufotable will work at it until the end.
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KarlFranz
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It just the name of that particular train. It like the company want to advertise their train to standout so they named it the Infinity Train to sound more special. It like the Titanic name. The name of the arc also have thematic meaning regarding the Lower Moon Blood Art. spoiler[He can put people to sleep and give them dream or nightmare.] |
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