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NEWS: Crunchyroll to Simulcast Strike Witches 2 on Wednesday


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Shichimi



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:09 pm Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
I wonder if the U.K. and Australia are not getting it because of legal concerns in those two nations.


Almost certainly. This isn't my cup of tea, but it's good news for fans I guess. So I'm guessing there will be the same order of events as with S1: CR streams, Funi DVDs. Although I wonder if S1 really did do well enough to justify chasing S2, as fan demand doesn't always equate to sales.

The first season certainly looked like a high-budget production, and as I've said before the actual premise is win. But the patented 'crotch-cam'? Not so much. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:21 am Reply with quote
Shichimi wrote:

The first season certainly looked like a high-budget production, and as I've said before the actual premise is win. But the patented 'crotch-cam'? Not so much. Laughing


I think it's about time they bring back the "jiggle counter" for the "crotch counter." Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:50 am Reply with quote
Shichimi wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:
I wonder if the U.K. and Australia are not getting it because of legal concerns in those two nations.

Almost certainly.

At least in the case of the UK, Crunchyroll would be overreacting to the wording of the relevant legal bill, if indeed this is why such a country has been blocked.

Reading from the bill directly, a forbidden image needs to be:
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...of such a nature that it must reasonably be assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal.

whilst also being:
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...grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character.

Additionally, further passages mention that a qualifying image or sequence of images must:
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[focus] solely or principally on a child’s genitals or anal region,

unless actual sex acts are explicitly depicted.

Even if Strike Witches could reasonably meet these criteria, a further passage could still render it exempt from being illegal:

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[W]here an image forms an integral part of a narrative constituted by a series of images, and having regard to those images as a whole, they are not of such a nature that they must reasonably be assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal, the image may, by virtue of being part of that narrative, be found not to be pornographic, even though it might have been found to be pornographic if taken by itself.


Of course, there was a second of Code Geass cut out of the UK release, but this was at the behest of the BBFC — an entity I dislike slightly less than the CJB — who have no say in matters of online streaming.

If CR have simply decided to be highly cautious in face of our legal statutes, which may or may not be the case, then I'd assume even they would begrudgingly condone fansub usage by the affected viewers as a means of overcoming this unfortunate eventuality. (That is, unless another legal website decides to stream it to us instead.)

This would be a rare case in which the red tape blocking certain countries is established by circumstances wholly extraneous to the global anime industry, as opposed to circumstances the industry can work towards overcoming.
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Shichimi



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:57 am Reply with quote
Well put, and agreed. I'm aware of the legislation, and my reason for believeing that this is why the UK is blocked is simply that CR is being cautious. I don't think CR can be blamed for covering its ass on this, though it's certainly unfortunate for fans like Shiroi Hane.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:18 am Reply with quote
Shichimi wrote:
Well put, and agreed. I'm aware of the legislation, and my reason for believeing that this is why the UK is blocked is simply that CR is being cautious. I don't think CR can be blamed for covering its ass on this, though it's certainly unfortunate for fans like Shiroi Hane.


It could also be the rights owner being cautious.

But if it is Crunchy, it seems reasonable to be cautious. Given the cost of winning a case - never mind the risk of losing - and at an audience within an order of magnitude of what Crunchyroll announced in February, it would seem ordinary business prudence to wait for YouTube to run the test case. They've got much deeper pockets.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:10 am Reply with quote
@ Zin5ki:
All governments interpet the laws to their benefit, not to the benefit of those who they accuse. This is not an over-reaction on CR's part, but rather a basic survival instinct response. Considering the U.K.'s and Australia's laws and their governments use and enforcement of them, the risk may not be worth the loss of freedom and the false tarring of ones name.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:02 pm Reply with quote
Further to what Zin5ki said, going by what the IWF says, the C&JB would only apply to material hosted in the UK anyway.

The problem almost certainly comes down to Kadokawa - Sora no Otoshimono was not available in the UK either (although Omamori Himari more recently was, so it seems a bit random). Mine (and other's) complaints actually have been passed on to the PTB and it is still possible that they may add the UK to the list (and this actually has happened before, although I'm darned if I can remember which titles(s)).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:42 pm Reply with quote
This is pretty good for CR. Fans of the 1st series are sure to have flocked over to get a glimpse of the riveting story and generous quality shots. Regarding the intial TV broadcast in Japan, SankakuComplex talks about Otaku driving (or taking the train most likely) to Saitama Prefecture to watch the broadcast one day earlier than the rest of Japan.

Embarassed Remember, link is NSFW. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:21 pm Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:

Of course, there was a second of Code Geass cut out of the UK release, but this was at the behest of the BBFC — an entity I dislike slightly less than the CJB — who have no say in matters of online streaming.

Out of curiosity, what scene was this?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:09 pm Reply with quote
You can see it, and related discussion, here:
http://forums.animeuknews.net/viewtopic.php?p=284966#284966
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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:30 pm Reply with quote
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The problem almost certainly comes down to Kadokawa - Sora no Otoshimono was not available in the UK either (although Omamori Himari more recently was, so it seems a bit random).

I see. But what would Kadokawa's motive be for not wanting this to be streamed in these countries? Is some other streaming solution being planned for the regions in question?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:13 pm Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
Shiroi Hane wrote:
The problem almost certainly comes down to Kadokawa - Sora no Otoshimono was not available in the UK either (although Omamori Himari more recently was, so it seems a bit random).

I see. But what would Kadokawa's motive be for not wanting this to be streamed in these countries? Is some other streaming solution being planned for the regions in question?


It could be not wanting to be the anime that is the test case for what will be covered in the mainstream press as an animated pedophilia censorship case.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:27 pm Reply with quote
Streaming rights and physical distribution are different. Crunchyroll might have the initial streaming rights but that's because they are better equipped at doing so at this time I would think. While Funimation while they are the powerhouse. Giving initial streaming rights to a small fry can get the producers a better price at the table when they license the DVD and ongoing streaming rights. And not broadcasting in all countries. Well i guess they get charged by the potential size of distribution. And maybe using Season 1's numbers they determined to maximize profit they'd pick the areas that had the numbers.

But 1st episode. Kinda wonky with a Meh explaination.. AIC at least got the drawing right though which sometimes goes sucktacular when the team changes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:12 pm Reply with quote
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It could be not wanting to be the anime that is the test case for what will be covered in the mainstream press as an animated pedophilia censorship case.

I think that's quite far-fetched. One doubts the tabloids would take any interest in this series if it were unlocked, unless this was a televised or physically-distributed release within the countries in question.
I'm told that negative press interest used to happen in the 1990s over here regarding anime, but I certainly haven't come across any recently. This is in spite of the easy availability of fansubs containing highly objectionable content. More objectionable than Strike Witches, at least.
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TarsTarkas



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:35 pm Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
agila61 wrote:
It could be not wanting to be the anime that is the test case for what will be covered in the mainstream press as an animated pedophilia censorship case.

I think that's quite far-fetched. One doubts the tabloids would take any interest in this series if it were unlocked, unless this was a televised or physically-distributed release within the countries in question.
I'm told that negative press interest used to happen in the 1990s over here regarding anime, but I certainly haven't come across any recently. This is in spite of the easy availability of fansubs containing highly objectionable content. More objectionable than Strike Witches, at least.


Fansubs are not regulated by the government since in nature they are already illegal.

Considering what was done in the UK over Code Geass, it is not far fetched that CR didn't really want to take a chance with the U.K. considering the content of Strike Witches. Australia is also problematic for the same reasons.

There is always a chance that this is some sort of contractual thing, but with the U.K. and Australia being denied I think it is a obscenity legal issue.

Perhaps CR will change their mind. I don't think they will be able to censor the show for U.K. and Australia audiences. Who knows though.
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