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Jabberwock
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Did you even play the game? Have you forgotten the end of it already? spoiler[The World was saved by her even after she had died... Not to mention that Aeris probably protected Cloud while he was going through the "Mega Flare," or someone cast MBarrier on him, or if he was as powerful as he was at the end of the game, just laughed at the summon as he was going through it.] Movie was great, absolutely loved it. Seeing the old gang on the big screeen was an absolute delight. The point for me was seeing them, not what the plot was doing. Plot was there, it was coherent, and it worked with what happened in the story before. What more do you people want, fricking spoiler[ Sephiroth was back!] |
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HitokiriShadow
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I just watched Advent Children and I agree with the majority: "oooh, shiny!" It looked beautiful, but the plot sucked.
And some of the action scenes were so ridiculously over-the-top, it was laughable. Like the whole jumping thousands of feet in the air and then spoiler[getting a boost from Aeris and going straight through MegaFlare without getting hurt.] I enjoyed Reno and Rude's scenes though. On a side note, didn't spoiler[Tseng] die in the game? I thought spoiler[he got offed by the Sephiroth clone in the Temple of the Ancients.] |
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joel_s95387
Posts: 1804 Location: California... The Village Hidden In The Porn |
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Has anyone else read this intro, with subtitles, at the very beggining of the film? Of course this was made for the fans so the backstory and terminology was a pre-requisite because it was for the fans who already knew all of this. If you didn't understand what was going on, tough break. Although I too admit the story was not the greatest, I still though it was pretty good. A damn good method for spoiler[bringing Sephiroth back]. It didn't spend any time explaining who these characters were and where they came from so it got straight to the action and spoiler[another search for Jenova]. It was just like an extra little story arc in the game itself, only a lot more better looking. Even when Denzel asks "Who's that?", Tifa doesn't say anything because we're already supposed to know who they are. I wondered though if anyone didn't bother "recruiting" Yuffie and Vincent in the original game, since these two characters were completely optional and don't show up in the final cut-scenes. Were even some fans of the game confused as to who these characters were? Did anyone notice in the special features when the guy in charge of the project said he asked someone to write a story, and they wrote a 20 minute story? Then he said it was basically spoiler[someone sending a message to Cloud, and at the end Cloud finding out who sent it.] So that story was stretched to a 1 hour and 20 minute movie... it's obvious the story wan't the main focus to begin with. And people saying that Cloud whent through spoiler[Bahamut's flare without being hurt], it's a movie people. I've seen many movies/series were the good guy, and some times even the bad guys, will go through their opponents energy blast to get to them. And the scenes where people jump thousands of feet in the air, I point out a giant spoiler[Dragon-like creature named Bahamut] coming out of the sky. It's all fantasy so quit complaining. For someone who has invested probably more than 300 hours, did you know the clock keeping time stops at all 9's?, I would rate this movie a Masterpiece. Although I don't rate movies on this site because it doesn't allow others to see why you chose a certain rating when looking at the rating from the encyclopedia. |
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PantsGoblin
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I think I'm like the only person who has played the game and hasn't seen this. Hearing that the story wasn't that great and was only "eye candy" hasn't really given me any incentive to watch it. Loved the game, but didn't really feel like downloading it. This seems like the type of movie I'd want to watch on a high quality DVD with surround sound, wide screen etc. I'm not really a die hard FF7 fan though, but I did like the game (enough to get a few hundred hours on the game and to beat the Ruby/Emerald Weapon). I would have gone to that free screening if it weren't on a Monday. I plan on buying it, but my Best Buy was already sold out of them by the time I got there, I'll get it sooner or later...
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joel_s95387
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Did you know Best Buy does "Rain Checks"? If they don't have the item in-stock, they get your number and call you as soon as they get a copy in. They don't hold it for you until you buy it, they just let you know when they re-stock. It's also supposed to reserve the price, but I don't think it does so for sales, but they still call you when they re-stock. I too passed on the bootleg circulating among my friends, and people actually watching at school. I got a chance to watch it on a big screen with a decent surround sound system earlier today, and it was more than worth the wait and the money. |
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Dachande
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[No double posting. Use the Edit Button. --Nagi]
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Necros Antiquor
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I highly doubt that very many people who played the game didn't recruit Yuffie and Vincent. The game has been out so many years and it seems like a natural progression to pick them up as you go along (well, if Yuffie shows up in that forest). I think all of the game's secrets are easily known. I mean, the game's biggest plot-twist, Aerith's death, pretty much became an internet meme. If someone is playing FFVII, usually they have some friend who asks the obligatory question of whether or not they got Yuffie and Vincent (well, Vincent moreso, since Yuffie isn't as popular). I think people take such extreme stances on FFVII's worth. First off, it's place in RPG success is indisputable; it broke out the market in America. I played it a few years of go in the context of "just another game" and I must say, it was very enjoyable, definately a top-notch RPG. Do I think it was the best RPG, or even game, ever made? Certainly not, but it has to be up there. I'm not much for graphical power (which is ironic, because that's why I'm buying Advent Children), but the game's graphics did not age as well as, say, sprite-based games, and for that matter, there was an overall aversion to aging well. I had difficulty figuring out what I could interact with in the static, pre-rendered backgrounds (I had no problem with Resident Evil for GCN), and some of the art eventually hurt my eyes. The one thing I really liked was the materia system, and of course, even though they're all really stock characters, the art designs were cool and it was well presented, even if the story at its most basic level was the RPG cliche of "young guy with friends saves the world." I'd still recommend playing the game, just realize that those who think it's the best RPG ever are a little out-dated, though it's certainly okay to like it. Some people just hate things that are popular. |
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joel_s95387
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[OT] So is that why so many people hate Sasuke from Naruto? I've been watching the show on CN and he's really cool, so I can't understand why people always talk crap about him. I know I didn't pick up Yuffie or Vincent my first time around. I went through the game, and didn't bother exploring every single little area or looking up codes on the internet. I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one. My second time around I explored a lot more of the world and discovered those two characters and other stuff as well. I wonder if some people only go through an RPG once, and don't bother with it again. I know thats what I did with Final Fantasy X. |
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starcade
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Why didn't the reviewers just "fail" the storyline -- give it an "F"?
Look, if not for the IMMENSE popularity of FF, FF7 especially, there wouldn't be Advent Children, a new anime, and two new games (all previewed on disc 2, by the by...) to expand on it. |
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Alex K.
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You know, I would've loved to see Cloud get mad at Barret or Tifa for wasting his minutes at some point. It was so wierd seeing the FF7 characters talking on cell phones.
But nothing's better than the antics of Bulk and Sk... I mean, Reno and Rude. 
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HitokiriShadow
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They probabaly either hate him for things that happen later on in the series or just don't like his character type. |
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Necros Antiquor
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And then there are some people like a friend of mine that have a couple of RPGs that they just play over and over and over. When I have tons of new games to play and I don't have time to play them because I'm so busy with school and my band, it drives me crazy when this friend of mine just mentions "oh, I beat FFVII again, perfect save file." ARGH! |
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weirdofu
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Personally, I felt the film's story was fairly solid. The original game ended in pretty much a wide open ending already. The movie closes it somewhat, especially for Cloud. This whole game and movie centered on Cloud. Where the game dealt with him dealing with his past, his own disillusion, and fighting off his personal demons, the movie dealt with his present and his future. AC is his quest for forgiveness and closure to what he viewed as his past mistakes and sins. However, its easy to be swept away by all the action and forget the original purpose. spoiler[ In essence, Sephiroth is Cloud's personal demon, it was vital to face him again]
Graphically, I have nothing to say about the movie. I've seen it 4 or 5 times and everytime I pick up some new little detail in the background. spoiler[Like th fact that Cloud's new sword is actually a composite sword, which is actually 6 individual swords capable of combining into 4 or 5 separate forms. He usually carries them around as 3 and occassionally combines them into one. I thought it was the coolest weapon design.] Comparing AC to Pixar movies is a definite result, but I feel its comparing apples to oranges. I'm sorry, but I have to say that when looking at animation (graphically) story should not be considered as a factor. In the arena where AC stands, exaggerated emotions, like in Pixar movies, is considered overacting and can have very negative effects. Facial and bodily deformations from emotions just does not fit. To me, its almost like trying to compare a Miyazaki film to, say, Bugs Bunny. The goal is completely different, which means the means will have to be different too. So, each has their merits and there's really no point in comparing. I applaud Square-Enix for finally understanding what they do best. After the flop from Spirits Within, I think they've learned that if the general viewing audience is not their audience, which is why we got AC. But I would have to say that AC is really a good example of a runaway project where it originally started as a 10 - 20 minute technical demo with no story and ended up being a 100 min long feature film. So, somewhere in the middle they probably should have stopped, but the end result is still good, if not great. |
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fosterjd
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I'm sorry guys, but I HAVE to back this movie up. It's getting so much flack here, it's a little discouraging. Of course the movie is made for the fans, who even knows about it otherwise? It is mmuch better that they aimed to please the fans instead of disregarding the massive RPG and making an "everyone" friendly plot. Also, the plot is great if you played the game, which is a perfectly fine prerequisite to the movie as the game is a masterpiece.
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ChangSauce
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I hate to be a buzzkill, but a movie being made for fans doesn't excuse it for being total crap. Why, I ask, would a movie made for such a select audiance have so much time and work put into it? Square did this for the cold hard cash, folks, not because they felt loyal to their fans.
To make a comparison to Spirits Within, in Spirits Within it felt like they tried to make a meaningful movie and failed miserably. They learned their lesson, as it seems that AC didn't even try to begin with. As a person who grew up with the playstation FF's, I was offended at how outwardly lame this movie was. It featured an idiotic story with characters who are drawn so thin they practically disapeared. I wasn't even that impressed with the fight scenes, fancy CGI or not they pretty much wittled down to pissing contests between the fighters, and displayed no actualy techniques of filmmaking. So the animation was great, Whoop De Doo, my life is enriched. I hate to say it, but Final Fantasy is becoming the Rolling Stones of game franchises, it really just needs to stop. It had it's run, don't ruin it. And for the love of god, anybody who claims the Sephiroth fight was important to the plot and not complete fanservice needs to melt the superglue that is holding their eyes shut. |
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