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vonPeterhof



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:53 am Reply with quote
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vonPeterhof wrote:



Has an American (or anyone not Japanese, for that matter) ever actually made it to director or producer and actually been successful at it?...


Aside from anything produced with foreign cooperation (Animatrix, Halo Legends, etc) I can't say there have been any foreigners who have made rank as a series director or producer.

Close example I can think of is Scott McDonald who became Art Director for Dog Days Double Dash after working as a background artist on many many shows. And there's a few foreign born key animators I've seen from time to time and a few foreign born actors seem to have been getting roles.
I wasn't the one who asked that, but thanks for the info anyway Wink

About foreign-born actors, could you please give some examples? The only one I'm aware of is Jenya Davidyuk from Russia (currently playing Lady Doubt in Kaitou Joker). Oh, and I guess Tatsuya Kakihara technically counts as foreign-born, even if he's a native speaker of Japanese and a Japanese national by birth.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:24 am Reply with quote
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No, they mean back when anime was GOOD...

Besides, they make more "porn-like" stuff nowadays, with all the ecchi bullshit that makes it into every show now.
Mr. Oshawott wrote:
Are you suggesting that there aren't any good modern-day anime shows present and that ecchi wasn't commonplace back during the late 1980's to the early and mid 2000's? Confused If yes, then I have a hard time buying that.
Tajima wrote:
I wouldn't say there aren't "any". I'm sure one or two decent shows snuck by while some soulless exec was sleeping.

Also, no [expletive] way was ecchi as "commonplace" back then as it was now. A show like High School DxD would never have made it on the air back then. That "near hardcore porn ecchi" shit started recently. Ecchi back then meant "fanservice," which meant maybe a jiggle or two or a pantyshot...not the full blown naked breasts and clothed grinding we see now.
{Fixed your inline quotes. ~nobahn}

Tenchi, one of the grandfathers of anime had actually nudity in several scenes, something a lot shows cut out in favor of less "risque" things like panty shots until the last few years. Not necessarily ecchi, but nudity that wasn't barbie doll nudity was around with things like ranma and tenchi but then disappeared until basically the high school dxd generation.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:11 am Reply with quote
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...not the full blown naked breasts and clothed grinding we see now.

Lets see, the first "full blown naked breasts" I saw animated would have been those of Akane in Ranma 1/2 the first anime I ever saw, back in 1997. That was ordinary broadcast TV in Japan. The main difference I see now is that the breasts in question are an order of magnitude larger.

When I got into anime in 1997 the first comment I heard about it was that it was "all sex and violence". And while I agree it wasn't hard to find shows that illustrated that, it wasn't true then and isn't true now. Basically if you cherry pick your examples you can prove any period of anime was either good or bad, (depending on how you define good and bad).
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From what we've read about the animator's wages in recent news, this type of pay would likely suit them a bit better because it's a little better pay.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:07 pm Reply with quote
I hate to say it but this is getting sensationalist. If ANN wants to comment on the unlivable conditions inside the anime industry and do a properly written feature on it then that is one thing but one article after another that are identical and contribute nothing is something i would expect form the Sun or my local Bild.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:20 pm Reply with quote
residentgrigo wrote:
I hate to say it but this is getting sensationalist. If ANN wants to comment on the unlivable conditions inside the anime industry and do a properly written feature on it then that is one thing but one article after another that are identical and contribute nothing is something i would expect form the Sun or my local Bild.


We did a three part interview series last month.
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Alan45 wrote:
Tajima wrote:
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...not the full blown naked breasts and clothed grinding we see now.

Lets see, the first "full blown naked breasts" I saw animated would have been those of Akane in Ranma 1/2 the first anime I ever saw, back in 1997. That was ordinary broadcast TV in Japan. The main difference I see now is that the breasts in question are an order of magnitude larger.

When I got into anime in 1997 the first comment I heard about it was that it was "all sex and violence". And while I agree it wasn't hard to find shows that illustrated that, it wasn't true then and isn't true now. Basically if you cherry pick your examples you can prove any period of anime was either good or bad, (depending on how you define good and bad).


There's certainly no use in arguing with people like you, who are actually able to somehow equate Akane taking a shower or Tenchi characters with High School DxD.

Yes, I'm sure in another decade we'll all be discussing the classic anime of this period, such as High School DxD and Samurai Girls, just like we do with Tenchi and Ranma. Yeah, they're totally the same thing.

{Cut it out. ~nobahn}
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Yes, I'm sure in another decade we'll all be discussing the classic anime of this period, such as High School DxD and Samurai Girls, just like we do with Tenchi and Ranma.


Probably not. But we might be discussing FMA, Madoka Magica, Psycho-Pass, or ANY number of other shows.

It's just sensationalism to say "anime went to shit at the turn of the millennium." Did you know that more than 50% of all anime ever created came out AFTER 2005? For a medium that's been around since the 1950s, that's a HUGE boom.

But the ratio of good-to-bad hasn't really changed - why would it? So there's more crap stuff coming out overall... but the ratio of good-to-bad is about the same as ever. It's just that we now have 30 new shows per season, instead of 8.

And to be quite frank, there are more fans now, there's more money in the system, production values are at an all time high, and this results in the good stuff being *really* god damn good. If all you see when you look at the newer anime coming out is high school ecchi harem comedies, then I submit that you aren't looking hard enough.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:55 am Reply with quote
Kadmos1 wrote:
From what we've read about the animator's wages in recent news, this type of pay would likely suit them a bit better because it's a little better pay.


The key here is that this ad isn't for an animator's position. It's for a production assistant - the people who liase with the different animators and higher-ups to make sure everything gets done on schedule.

Part of the reason (I gather) that newbie animators get paid so little is because they're largely paid as contract staff - *per frame.* So every frame they complete earns them more money (possibly as little as ¥100 per frame), but in-between frames are cheap and newbies can't draw as fast as more experienced animators - so they make less money.

Production assistants are expected to work based on hours rather than frame completion, so they're paid a flat salary. It's... theoretically more stable, but on this level of pay... it's basically subsistence labour.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:25 am Reply with quote
Tajima wrote:
There's certainly no use in arguing with people like you, who are actually able to somehow equate Akane taking a shower or Tenchi characters with High School DxD.

Yes, I'm sure in another decade we'll all be discussing the classic anime of this period, such as High School DxD and Samurai Girls, just like we do with Tenchi and Ranma. Yeah, they're totally the same thing.

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Ah, the good ol' days: when men were men, women were men, children were federal agents..... and people bitched about the good ol' days.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:30 pm Reply with quote
There's no hard line where you can say anime went to hell after such and such year. That's just ridiculous. I see it more as a gradual descent into apathetic pandering. While nudity and suggestive character design have been a part of anime for decades, the trends in the way that those aspects are incorporated differs, depending on the time period.

There is a difference between including a character with sex appeal, and creating your entire show around some inane power/sex fantasy for timid adolescents with self-esteem issues.

It feels like the pitch meeting for these shows becomes increasingly restricted to "what fantastic scenario can we create to introduce a love interest into this sad, anti-social kid's life?" This could be an interesting premise for a story if they legitimately wanted to examine how reclusive people find partnership and affection, but that is rarely the angle they take. It just seems like cynical and lazy escapism.

(Also, whoever invented the aesthetic where characters are wrapped in a shiny film of plastic deserves to be excommunicated from anime forever. I think it's meant to accentuate a girl's curves?? But it is god-awful and it needs to go away!)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:23 pm Reply with quote
Engineering Nerd wrote:
So....

let's say if you got hired in a relatively bigger animation production company, say Sunrise (except division 9), Madhouse, Production IG (including Wit), Bones, etc; can we actually expect slightly higher wages than what Diomedea and Arms offer?


Bones is a bad company, kekkai sensen has a bad adaptation, White and Black do not exist in the manga. In another season poorly adapted Hitsugi not Chaika.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:39 am Reply with quote
#839260 wrote:

Has an American (or anyone not Japanese, for that matter) ever actually made it to director or producer and actually been successful at it?

The way I understand Japan's view toward foreigners (and especially Americans), I'd be really shocked if a person from outside Japan actually got a high ranking position at an anime company. (or maybe it's just the older Japanese that are this way because of WWII. But i'd think those would be in charge of promotion decisions.)


Jan Scott-Frazier (director, supervisor, producer)
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