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Levitz9



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:22 pm Reply with quote
This week's list made me think of Shamanic Princess. I put a lot of effort into this getting the old, out-of-print DVD, but I haven't seen it yet. It has amazing character designs, though.
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Chiibi



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:16 pm Reply with quote
I was aware of all of these but mahou shoujo IS my favorite genre to watch, afterall. Anime hyper

I especially like Ririka and really want to finish it someday. Nanatsuiro Drops looks moe beyond belief. I bought a figure of Sumomo before even really knowing who she was but her design is so amazingly cute. Anime hyper

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This week's list made me think of Shamanic Princess. I put a lot of effort into this getting the old, out-of-print DVD, but I haven't seen it yet.

Omg first anime DVD I ever bought.
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Triltaison



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:46 pm Reply with quote
octopodpie wrote:
Cutiebunny wrote:
^ You credit anime fans too much. Most of them, especially the younger fans, have no idea. Apart from mega hits like Evangelion, Sailor Moon and whatever else is brought to the forefront every few years, anything past a decade in age is "old school". I'd be willing to bet that the majority of con goers have never heard of "Wedding Peach", "Pichi Pichi Pitch" and "Shugo Chara".

I always say that the best way to tell how popular an old school series is is by the amount of people cosplaying its characters. I go to 5+ large cons around the US every year. I can't tell you the last time I've seen SC cosplay, let alone WP or PPP.


Maybe, but ANN's reader demographic skews older than the average con-goer (which is by and large teens).


As a huge magical girl fan and someone who works with said con-going teens at a store that sells anime merchandise, I can assure you that they absolutely know Shugo Chara. Its manga is still easily available to buy on store shelves and its anime is on streaming services, so they know it quite well. I get constant requests for its basically nonexistent merchandise. It's requested more often than Cardcaptor Sakura, and only less than Sailor Moon and Madoka Magica.

However, I'd agree that Wedding Peach has been pretty much forgotten. The whole bridal aesthetic of WP is too dated for modern teens, and even people who are old enough to have been the target demographic back when it was newly licensed don't remember it when I bring it up in conversation at work. Mermaid Melody doesn't fare much better. They both used to be quite popular, but their fans grew up and new ones didn't really come to fill the void as far as I can tell.

I kind've disagree with Nurse Angel Ririka SOS and Sugar Sugar Rune being on the list, though. While not as popular as they once were, Ririka has a bit of a cult status in the magical girl community (similar to Princess Tutu or UtaKata) and Sugar Sugar Rune's manga sold decently (and was picked up again recently as said in the article). I'd say that Fancy Lala, Flower Magician Marybell, Tonde Buurin, Corrector Yui (whose English DVD release was aborted before the end and never even got fansubs to finish it out), or Fushigiboshi no Futagohime are better contenders since they are also pretty much forgotten by everyone except dorks like me. Marybell even came out the same year as Sailor Moon, Ririka, and Saint Tail and didn't get mentioned. Esper Mami doesn't get much love nowadays either despite being one of the progenitors, and those weird extended nude posing sequences only make it weirder as time goes by.
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meruru



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:10 am Reply with quote
The only one of these I've seen or heard any of is Akuzukin ChaCha, and I had the impression it was more a comedy than anything else, though I only ever saw like an episode or two of it. It seemed too punny to really be successfully marketed in other languages also.
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WingKing



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:29 am Reply with quote
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WingKing wrote:
For additional suggestions to fill people's "obscure magical girl" needs ... Miracle Girls (featuring identical twin magical girls who jointly share powers).

Miracle Girls (the anime, never read the manga) didn't feel like a magical girl series to me at all. The main characters had magical powers, but apart from that the story just wasn't a magical girl one. It was about their daily lives, romances, and, closer to the end, a mysterious (mundane) organisation that wanted to capture them. It was way more like Tokimeki Tonight than Magical Emi or something.


Admittedly it's been forever and a day since I watched it and I don't remember a lot anymore, but it was magical girl by my definition, though admittedly with a bit of a different spin than the typical trappings. If you need magic wands and cute animal mascots to call something magical girl then point taken, but watching them use their powers to foil an airplane hijacking early on in the series was pretty much all I needed to see.

Levitz9 wrote:
This week's list made me think of Shamanic Princess. I put a lot of effort into this getting the old, out-of-print DVD, but I haven't seen it yet. It has amazing character designs, though.


I liked Shamanic; thought it was a bit slow to start, but strong stuff once it got in gear. It was actually re-licensed by Media Blasters just a couple of years ago, and it's in stock at RightStuf right now.
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I only know of Sugar Sugar Rune because it was the only Anime after NGE that Hideaki Anno did Key Animation for,

So that is where the girl on this image came from: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5M341vw9k4g/UZqKmR2wdpI/AAAAAAAAAG8/cT2MIMM97ZU/w1200-h630-p-nu/125393_v0_600x.jpg
I actually thought it was from Lolita Anime 1984, as that was what I was looking up at the time.
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Sacto0562



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:58 am Reply with quote
A HUGE problem with Akazukin Chacha is the very heavy use of Japanese language puns, which makes it very difficult--if not impossible--to translate to another language. That's why I'm actually kind of amazed that Ranma 1/2 became well-known outside of Japan, given that series' heavy use of Japanese language puns.

As for Oku-sama wa Mahou Shoujo I'm surprised it hasn't been picked up for a US license a long, long time ago. I've seen it (sheepishly) fansubbed and it's a better series than I originally thought.
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MrTerrorist



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:29 am Reply with quote
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Lil' Red Riding Hood Cha-Cha Kids in the U.S. have never gotten to experience Lil' Red Riding Hood Cha-Cha because it has the one-two punch of being pure cute children's entertainment and running for 75 episodes. The story follows Cha-Cha, a witch in training who always goofs up her spells due to puns. For instance, in the first episode she attempts to summon clouds (kumo) but instead summons spiders (kumo).

It might be the pun problem as well, depending on how big a feature that was. How do you create a pun on clouds and spiders in English? It's not as simple as saying sake is soda or rice balls are donuts. It can be done, of course, but it's time-consuming if there are a lot of puns to work out.


Puns huh? I remember watching the english dub of Akazuki Cha Cha in 1998 on Cartoon Network South East Asia and never once saw any pun jokes about Cha Cha since the show explains that Cha Cha has lot of magic power but is a terrible spell caster which tends to backfire which might explained how the english dub solve the Japanese puns problem.
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John Thacker



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:31 am Reply with quote
belvadeer wrote:

Key wrote:
Never heard of Okusama, but the concept sounds like an interestingly difference spin on the genre.


Agreed. The premise reminds me of the fact Japan was originally inspired by Bewitched to create the magical girl genre.


The name of Bewitched when dubbed in Japan is very similar, too. 奥さまは魔女 or Okusama wa Majo, as opposed to the 奥さまは魔法少女 Okusama wa Mahou Shoujo that you're talking about. Lots of similar titles, though. Don't get confused by the porn anime, 奥様は魔法使い, Okusama wa Mahoutsukai, from the next year, basically a porn parody.

Not even the most confusing similar name shows, considering that there's おくさまは女子高生 Okusama wa Joshi Kousei (My Wife is a High School Student) which is a romance show, not to be confused with identically pronounced H title 奥様は女子校生 Okusama wa Joshi Kousei (My Wife is a student at a Woman's (Junior) College).
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:20 pm Reply with quote
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This series is based off an h-game where the hapless protagonist finds himself transformed into a magical girl's mascot every night.


I read that as "This series is based off an h-game where the hapless protagonist finds himself transformed into a magical girl every night." Has that been done?

WingKing wrote:
Aquamine-Amarine wrote:
Five of the magical girl manga mentioned in this article were serialized in Nakayoshi, and yet you conveniently forget to mention Shugo Chara!, which was also extremely popular when it was still being serialized. Nakayoshi even advertised it as being as popular as SM and CCS once, near the end of it's run. I'm not really surprised that it's been ignored, given how everyone on this site is so obsessed with SM and never wants to give SC! any credit.


Shugo Chara is reasonably well known, though. The manga got a full English release (as did the Shugo Chara-chan spinoff manga), and the full TV series is available on Crunchyroll. The target of this list seems to be magical girl anime that have never been legally available in North America at all. I'm a huge magical girl fan, and a couple of these are obscure enough that even I'm not familiar with them. Otherwise you could also easily include Hana no Ko Lunlun from 1979/1980, which (as "Angel" in the US) was one of the first magical girls to make it to American TV, years before Sailor Moon, even though hardly anyone remembers that anymore.

For additional suggestions to fill people's "obscure magical girl" needs, there's also Dream Hunter Rem (the non-hentai version, unless you're into that kind of thing - the main character enters people's dreams and fights demons who are trying to steal their life force), Happy Seven (where in a neat little mythological twist, the seven magical girls have the powers of the Seven Lucky Gods), or Miracle Girls (featuring identical twin magical girls who jointly share powers).


I'm also still seeing Shugo Chara! on the manga shelves at some of the nearby Barnes & Noble bookstores. If it can be found in a brick-and-mortar bookstore (meaning it hasn't been languishing for so long that management hasn't returned it back to the publisher), then it's certainly not forgotten.

Cutiebunny wrote:
^ You credit anime fans too much. Most of them, especially the younger fans, have no idea. Apart from mega hits like Evangelion, Sailor Moon and whatever else is brought to the forefront every few years, anything past a decade in age is "old school". I'd be willing to bet that the majority of con goers have never heard of "Wedding Peach", "Pichi Pichi Pitch" and "Shugo Chara".

I always say that the best way to tell how popular an old school series is is by the amount of people cosplaying its characters. I go to 5+ large cons around the US every year. I can't tell you the last time I've seen SC cosplay, let alone WP or PPP.


They're still less forgotten than these series, which are ones even longtime anime fans might have never heard of, let alone seen.

Gina Szanboti wrote:
It might be the pun problem as well, depending on how big a feature that was. How do you create a pun on clouds and spiders in English? It's not as simple as saying sake is soda or rice balls are donuts. It can be done, of course, but it's time-consuming if there are a lot of puns to work out.


When I set my mind into pun mode, I can make them pretty easily (though their quality is not something I can guarantee), but I cannot come up with even one. Anyone who can find a pair of similar-sounding words or homonyms that can refer to both clouds and spiders is a better pun maker than me.

I know a lot more about clouds than I do spiders though. Maybe there's a type of spider whose name is like that of a cloud?
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Chiibi



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:51 pm Reply with quote
Triltaison wrote:
or Fushigiboshi no Futagohime are better contenders since they are also pretty much forgotten by everyone except dorks like me.


Lol I have a figure of Fine in her magical girl outfit.

(you and I would probably be great dorky friends) Anime hyper
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:39 pm Reply with quote
Filipino anime fans of a certain age are probably familiar with Sugar Sugar Rune since it had three Tagalog dubs. Two of them from the same company, strangely enough.
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Roger Pepitone



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As for Wedding Peach, Etude House just launched a line of cosmetics based on the franchise.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:36 pm Reply with quote
No Punie-chan? Come on, guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:25 am Reply with quote
jymmy, in response to WingKing wrote:

Miracle Girls (the anime, never read the manga) didn't feel like a magical girl series to me at all. The main characters had magical powers, but apart from that the story just wasn't a magical girl one. It was about their daily lives, romances, and, closer to the end, a mysterious (mundane) organisation that wanted to capture them. It was way more like Tokimeki Tonight than Magical Emi or something.


I think Miracle Girls is an underrated 1990s show but I think of it less as a "magical girl" show and more of a show in the same vaguely defined "ESPer romantic comedy" subgenre as Kimagure Orange Road even if Miracle Girls was based on a shoujo manga whilst Kimagure Orange Road was published in the most famous shounen mag of all, Shounen Jump.

I dunno if Kimagure Orange Road was an influence on Miracle Girls or not, but I always though of Miracle Girls as what it would have been like if Kimagure Orange Road got a spin-off manga about Kyosuke's younger twin sisters (even if the ESPer powers are somewhat different: the Matsunaga twins (MG) had telepathy and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychometry_(paranormal)]psychometry[/url] while the Kasuga twins (KOR) had telekinesis and, to a lesser degree, hypnosis powers; both sets of twins could teleport, although the Kasuga twins had the advantage of being able to teleport independently of one another).

Miracle Girls did have that princess from a mysterious kingdom subplot that would put it a little bit closer to "mahou shoujo" territory than Kimagure Orange Road was.

EDIT: Sorry about the Wikipedia link being broken, this board seems to have a problem with parenthesis in URLs.
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