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Hellsoldier
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I agree with Rokudenashiko here and say that sex ed is needed. What is purity even?
I agree with the anti-censorship stance taken by many here. But... I kind of consider fanservice where the girl/s are into it healthier and better, and not this (yeah, I'll say it) harrasing fanservice. An adult or late teenager is better at telling fiction from reality apart (the reason why almost all countries where porn is legal have a minimum age for its viewing). |
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bastek66
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To Love-Ru was in same magazine for years and had more lewd stuff.
Demographics mean nothing. Dead Tube also is shounen manga yet it's more violent and rapey than Berserk. |
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HeeroTX
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I really have to laugh at this opinion. If someone is gonna defend the "gender studies"/fiction makes reality/sexual assault encouraged by media view, then Japanese media (of ANY sort) should literally be the LAST hill I'd want to stand on. I mean, we're all aware that Japan is currently going through SEVERE population decline due to lack of sex and has well-documented issues of "herbivore men" who generally avoid women. I mean, we all know that's ACTUALLY a thing, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men |
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Blackiris_
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I very much think that children should be introduced to sexuality. But there seem to be people who believe that the way the manga in Shounen Jump do it is the right way. I personally think the portrayal of sexuality in anime and manga is generally very immature. Which is fine to some extent, but even material aimed at older readers rarely portrays sex and sexuality as something natural. Usually there is absolutely no seriousness in the depiction; scenes are just there for fanservice, comedy or titilation. There are exceptions, of course, but they are not so common. There are some shoujo manga, especially older titles, that cover sex, puberty and growing up in a more mature way, and josei manga do this often. But generally the way sexuality is portrayed in anime and manga is very prude. Not "American prude", but a different kind of "prude".
Aren't you only complaining about this story is because it's recent? Really, why should anyone discuss cases from 784252 years back? Of course people talk about stuff that's happened recently. |
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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...and we all know that if there's anything that encourages adult men to avoid adult women, it's parents taking away depictions of crying, naked teenage girls from their children! 
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HeeroTX
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No, but Lord Oink, who you replied to initially, was flippantly making an exasperated remark about: (a) "Gender studies professor at Osaku University Kazue Muta said that people are learning from a young age that seeing females as sexual objects, ignoring a partner's protests, and then engaging in naked sexual acts is normal." And your response implied that you agree with that issue. If I misread, then I'm sorry and I welcome the correction. OTOH, if you agree with that, I would defy you to offer proof of what this professor is saying. I'd say you could make an argument (as studies ARE making) that people are learning that they don't NEED a sexual partner at all, rather than learning what professor Muta is saying. |
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Velshtein
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You're perception of Japan's lax attitude towards sex is off base. It's a very conservative nation. The sexual fanservice and fetishes found in anime and manga is pandering to a very small minority.
I agree. It's ironic that in an era of more sexual freedom than ever before people's fear of sexual repression is sky high. |
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Lord Oink
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Main reason I checked out Sailor Moon was leggy schoolgirls in miniskirts, and a big part of why I hate Kai is they cut out filler that had fanservicy Bulma stuff, and Maron entirely. Wing was fujobait and Naruto was after I was an adult, so no comment. Main reason I checked out Evangelion back in the day was an ad in the back of a comic of Asuka in a bikini. Basically, I agree that as a puberty struck boy anime being far more open about sexual stuff was a big draw, even if it was as simple as letting girls wear skirts while in western media they all wore pants. Maybe that shaped me as a leg man, or I always was and anime just knew what I liked. 
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VORTIA
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Interview With A Vampire was rated R, for one, which is the exact kind of "we've got to keep the kids from seeing it" solution you're currently arguing in favor of, and then defending it with a perfect example of how its meaningless and doesn't work. |
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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I was agreeing with the first of the two things he was quoting:
My point is that there are a lot of different people with different views about media depictions of sex, and if you're a parent who is agreeing with Ota and Muta's views, then it's your responsibility to moderate your children's reading habits.
If the "we" in that statement are the kids' parents, then yes, I'm absolutely in favor of them deciding that Interview With a Vampire is inappropriate for their kids. My parents obviously weren't worried about it, and 12 year old me was allowed to read it. However, when I was in 2nd grade, they did take away a Batman graphic novel they had bought me when they found out it depicted cultists tying up and raping a girl. Last edited by BodaciousSpacePirate on Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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VORTIA
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When did I claim Japan isn't conservative or is lax about sex? My comment was directly in regards to the American knee-jerk assumption that sexually provocative imagery is inherently corrupting, a relatively recent import to Japan. I'm neither arguing that the Japanese model is perfect nor that the Japanese don't have their own sexual hang-ups, just that they don't need ours on top of their own! |
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VORTIA
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I'd hazard then, that your opinion is heavily influenced from a very different kind of upbringing than a lot of us had, in which your parents didn't simply accept the recommendations of professionals in determining what was appropriate for their child. If we can both agree that parents should be responsible for determining what their children read & what is appropriate, then we should also agree that any manner of publication restriction is ultimately not the solution. It's kind of silly to argue that the kids whose parents wouldn't let them have access to the things you had didn't find an outlet in anime when you didn't have that experience! EDIT: changed warning to publication restriction, to clarify my intent. Last edited by VORTIA on Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:29 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Tarik Loq
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Just because it isnt real doesnt mean it shouldnt be allowed. Your comment is laughable at best. |
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VORTIA
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Freedom of expression isn't valuable to you, I suppose. |
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Blackiris_
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That's a difficult topic and judging from the often angry comments in the comment section I believe few people here are truly qualified to judge this matter. There seems to be some kind of very aggressive and emotional "anti" movement whenever it comes to reports that suggest that games, movies, books etc. can influence children in a bad way (be it violence or sexuality), certainly also because these reports are often overblown, manipulative and unscientific. But I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people who are so quick to judge have never truly made an effort to learn more about the topic at hand. I think most people agree that children are influenced by what they consume and what people around them teach them and what is portrayed as normal and so on. But in what way and how much, that's certainly something that needs further investigation. The "it's harmless because it's fiction" argument doesn't really work in all cases, and especially not when it comes to children. I know the fiction I consumed at a young age certainly shaped me a lot. I'm not judging this issue, by the way. Only saying that it isn't just an issue that should be dismissed as "Shonen Jump Weekly bullshit" or whatever. But I don't think much good will come from discussing it here where many people clearly feel insulted and emotional about anything that potentially demonizes a part of their hobby. Last edited by Blackiris_ on Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:40 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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