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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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Stay out of the Mythology section. I regularly borrowed them to read as bedtime stories for my daughter & there are a few where the mother of existance was a dragon. I figured exposing her to mythology was a good thing & it paid off since she remembered a lot of them when she hit the subject in school. Of course, I was always the mom on field trips that had the other moms inching away from her. Even if not drawn, the stories are there. What about Rome-the twins suckling at a wolf? Mowgli, Tarzan & any of the numerous human kids reared by animals. Do we even want to get into Norse god Loki turning into a mare to seduce a Giant's horse & giving birth to Odin's horse Slepnir? (If the Ryudo brothers in Sohryuden are dragons, would one of them marrying a human girl be beastiality? This comes to mind in reference to Baron Gong Vol 5 also. Darn, Now I've remembered all that junk about Zeus turning into animals to seduce women...They better just burn all the mythology books.) Yes, it does smack of set up for a 16 yr old boy to borrow a book & then whine to his mom & then the pair of them to take it to their politician. One who happens to be the Chairman of the San Bernardino Republican Party so he's probably a bit conservative. |
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Coral Skipper
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Double Post.
Last edited by Coral Skipper on Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:51 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Coral Skipper
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The book should still be in the library.
That said I don't think that the people who did this are evil. I don't think this is a conspiracy against manga, and I think everyone is overreacting, on both sides. A 16 year old should not have been able to check it out if it was in the adult section. If you are going to bother having an adult section, then no one under 18 should be able to check it out without their parent's permission. Yes, this even applies to a 16 year old. All this situation shows is that someone under 18 can wonder into the adult section and get ahold of material someone thought wasn't suited to them. What should happen is that the library should not check out books that are in their adult section, if they choose to have one, to minors without parental permission. I think they should prevent minors from getting ahold of the material. Leave it on the shelf, though. Last edited by Coral Skipper on Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
Posts: 3498 Location: IN your nightmares |
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I consider myself to be overestimating of others. So basically I would guess that every library in the United States will have librarians -
that know the exact content of every book in their collection, and will always reshelve books in locations that they are appropriate for, and every new book will be reviewed for content and categorized appropriately without fail without error and without compromise. That is their job, they should strive for perfection so nothing like this ever happens again. (j/k) Last edited by P€|\||§_|\/|ast@ on Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:33 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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If thats true, then I think someone has some explaining to do. |
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konosuke15
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This is just a common case of parent didn't want to take responsibility for her screw up. Parents now a-days think they dont have to watch their children all the time, let the tube handle it and books and schools. Probablem is, they think they are gods (weird, since they cant even take care of their own child they want to be one when something happens they dont like).
Another thing that confuses me; why in gods name was a 16 year old (i would think he would be exciting to actually see some pron) complaining about it? He shouldve known what the book contained. (the text on the back isnt there just to fill up space, and you have thumbs used for another reason; flipping through the book). *Sigh* Oh well, at least i live across country, in the state that has one of the worst library systems in the country (not a lick of manga in my local library, so most likely my library doesnt carry that book) |
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shattercone
Posts: 44 Location: Tempe, Arizona |
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See, that's exactly the calm sort of rational thinking that seems to be missing so much these days. Why are people so quick to jump to conclusions (really on BOTH sides)? Democracy doesn't mean everyone's going to get his/her way, (that'd be anarchy), it means taking the time to think about a choice, and making it by consensus. To me, that is why this story is disturbing, 3 people decided this book was "inappropriate" and now it's off the shelves and no one can read it, appropriate or not. Is that democratic? |
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sionEmber
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Its a shame that one complaint can cause the book to be banned from the library. Its funny how when I checked out some "How to draw the human figure" books, it had nothing but naked men and women in it...very interesting. Granted that the books in most libraries are meant to be learning tools, but because it may contain a couple of pictures deemed offensive its no longer educational? Someone explain that one to me...
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WalkerRiley
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I think the largest annoyance in this is that it's just more negative press about anime and manga in general.
Many people already think anime is largely pornography. We manage to change a few minds and then this comes along. It gets tiresome after awhile. |
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Calli
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I had to do a bit of digging, but I found some further information on the ALA's site regarding the situation. Here is the link to the article in question:
San Bernardino Removes Explicit Manga Book after Challenge I don't agree with what was done, and I don't agree with the system director's rationalization, but it sounds like standard procedures for book challenges were followed, at least. And at least this article also mentioned a resource often forgotten -- interlibrary loan. I wonder what the ALA has to say about this, though, considering this and their promotion of Banned Book Week? |
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nefadol
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Considering this goes against The Library Bill of Rights....
...I think that son, mother, and politician need to do their homework. You can put a book in a section where it may make it harder to check out, but in the end you can't restrict a minor from checking out any book. |
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Cowpunk
Posts: 168 Location: Oakland - near the Newtype Lab |
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It is not the responsibility fo the library to allow or deny the check-out of any material. This is the responsibility of the parents. After all if you are 16 and want to check out a computer manual, these are shelved in the adult section of libraries, should you have to obtain permission from your parents first? An adult section is for material aimed at advanced readers and for some kids this is a major area for checkouts depending on their reading level and interest. |
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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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If you go to San Bernardino County gov page the guy is bragging he pulled porn from the library which included pictures of sex with animals. That's how I knew he's the pres of the County Republican Party. As a conservative this is a feather in his cap fighting liberal forces putting porn like this in the hands of our youth. I mean, this is a 16 YR-OLD--old enough to drive a car, old enough to vote in 2 yrs. If he murdered someone he's probably be tried as an adult in the California legal system, yet the issue being promoted is porn in the hands of children. The Chairman has called for the library system to "draft a plan to protect children from inappropriate books and other materials that may currently exist in the county library system"
The County Library system would be the unincorporated areas while the cities would likely run their own libraries. It also sounds like it wasn't in the manga section. "News from the Office of Bill Postmus." "Although the book in question was not in the children's section of the Victorville library, it was on a shelf next to other books containing images of comics popular with children.The issue was brought to Chairman Postmus' attention as a result of a complaint by a concerned parent whose 16 year-old son had checked the book out and informed his mother of the offensive content" So maybe it was in the art section where it belonged next to other books about comics & maybe the issue is the library needs a policy in place about certain material requiring ID to be checked out. |
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Traik
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Point of clarification: Mr. Gravett is the author of this book; he's not the guy who had it pulled from the libraries--that was Bill Postmus. I think you mean to say that Postmus, not Gravett, is the "very closeminded man."
I understand what you're saying, but honestly, there's probably not much point in making this a political Right-vs.-Left, Republican-vs.-Democrat thing. Let us not forget that there are plenty of Republicans (of the Libertarian bent) who are dedicated to free speech and let us not forget that some of the most censorious movements in U.S. history were unleashed by Democrats. |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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You know, I'm having a brainstorm idea.
Maybe have a "request blitz" for the book, prompting demand for the book. If enough people request to borrow the book, it might prompt the library system there to reshelve the book back on the shelf. After all, your taxes are paying for it, right? At the same time, someone (or some people) should donate several copies of the book (along with manga, whether unwanted copies a/or new copies) as a message of some sort. I'm growing kinda sick and tired of a few people dictating what is appropiate and what is not appropiate. |
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