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ptj_tsubasa
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I guess you could also put it this way:
In the West, conservatives think that marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. If you change that, it is no longer a marriage. In Japan, people grow up being taught that being a man or a woman is defined by their roles and relation to each other. (This is where all the "Do something! You're a man, aren't you!" dialogue essentially draws from.) If you change the roles, the women will stop being women and men will stop being men (or become "herbivore men", as the word goes), and people will stop procreating. You could also point out that as a monoculture the Japanese society is inherently designed to point out social abnormalities and make up buzzwords for them. This is the main reason the Japanese media has made up words like hikikomori, kogal, freeter, herbivore men, ikumen and whatnot over the years to describe marginal social phenomena that would be just glossed over in less monocultural societies. Last edited by ptj_tsubasa on Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:49 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ikillchicken
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Wow guys, you've managed to say something profoundly misogynistic and wildly homophobic all in one little sentence. If you only could have worked in something about evil foreigners you probably could have set some kind of record.
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Hypeathon
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Okay, wait a minute. It might just that you posted your response 2 minutes after ptj_tsubasa who posted his response 2 minutes after Juno016's response. Maybe it's just that, but were you referring to either of them ikillchiken or were you referring to whoever else that posted before either of them ? |
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saurers123
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Is this a case of Values Dissonance?? Man this really shows how we have a hard time understanding their logic. Their logic sounds so plain wrong to me. Lol
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ptj_tsubasa
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Yep, that's why you generally see gays and transsexuals lumped up into one blurry "okama" stereotype in mainstream Japanese media and entertainment. I'm sure everyone can think up examples right on the spot. I guess I could also note that when these people say that "homosexuality is being discussed publicly" they don't mean TV comedians like Hard Gay, as it's OK to be gay if it's just a role or humor - essentially, you can act gay but you can't be gay, as I previously wrote. Instead they mean people coming out and discussing their sexual identity out in the open - that is what undermines the marriage institution (and is therefore disrespectful towards one's family). |
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masat01
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lol homosexuals
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enurtsol
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Japan is notoriously ruled by old men (and by old, meaning age 70s+). They're all afraid that young Japanese men are turning into "herbivore men" - less interested in sex and money. 
Hahaha............... a feminist movement would change a lot of the manga and anime ya guys read and watch, ya realize.
It's not that those can't be read. As the article states: "The council held its second meeting of 2011 on October 14. In that meeting, the members discussed selected books that were reportedly placed in a major bookstore, outside of its adults-only section. According to the government staff member who spoke about the books, boys-love comics, ladies' comics (manga aimed at women), and similar material are generally mixed in with "regular comics" on the same shelves."
That may actually drive perversity underground. But it's hard not to be a pervert when ya can see perverted images everywhere in the street, trains, etc.
This may be old, but you could be correct:
Or "I will protect you from now on!" as the man's marriage proposal.
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Top Gun
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Hate to tell them, but that's kind of already happening. 
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Melanchthon
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You forgot to add "and squeal incessantly". Half the time I watch Japanese porn, I have to mute the sound, it's so annoying. Moving on... This sounds like rather typical, for the Japanese government. There is a rather large psychosis in Japan over the declining birth rate. It is a complex problem, but the roots lie in a corrupt business ethos that prevents entrepreneurship and promotion of youth, the strongly held social gender roles, a general xenophobia, and failed government polices of the last few decades. These are all difficult problems to face. Fortunately, the is a wonderful scapegoat in anime and manga. It is extremely common for the elderly and the elites (often the same people) to place the blame of the declining birth rate on otaku and their ilk. This is just any other one of those attacks, with some homophobia thrown in for good measure. |
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mdo7
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Well this shows that US and Europe (well most of the world) aren't the only one that has radical ultra-conservatives idiots, Japan has their share of these people too.
What the (bleep)!!! Strong liberated women=homosexuality in men Who came up with this BS??? Do they have evidence to back this up, I didn't think so. This makes me facepalm and bang my head and want to puch the wall until a hole is made and as Careygrant and SoundMonkey44 said, I wanted to see what the council reaction to the anime and manga that are misogynistic and those that contain rape scene? I know Japan has a low rape crime (although it's possible there are cases of unreported rape), but what about the Japanese victim of rape, are they going to think rape is entertaining, and amusing. No it's not and I don't see why. Do you want the victims to relive their rape when they see anime and manga have scene of rape in it. That would be not only shameful, but make rape seem acceptable in entertainment which is not. Enurtsol: These articles you just link, very interesting. Japan's "Herbivore man", that probably explain the declining birthrate. Also yeah, the MP that said rape is a good thing, very disgusting and I can imagine how many rape victims in Japan went up in arms when they heard that. Who the hell thought rape is a good thing?  
Yeah but their pr0n are censored (as in genitals blurred out). Japan is at odd when it comes to sexuality, some of our games that has nudity got censored (well you might want to blame CERO, Japan's version of ESRB) when they went to Japan. Mafia 2 had the playboy magazine censored despite Japan having a lot of uncensored nude magazine (as long it doesn't show the female genital). Saints Row 3 had the purple phallic bat censored in Japan and this is the same Japan that has festival like this and this. Yeah Japan is full of irony from time to time. Before I end this, somewhere in Japan, forum sites like 2ch are probably talking about this and probably Japanese netizens are facepalming when they read about it. I like to see the reactions from them. 
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dragonrider_cody
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It's good to know that idiot right wing bullshit is the same around the world. It's been scientifically proven again, again, and again that a person's sexuality is determined long before they hit puberty. They are as likely to turn gay from reading a manga as they are to catch "the gay" from being sneezed on by a drag queen.
Seriously, who reads a manga with a strong woman and then thinks to themselves "Well now vaginas are just icky. I think I'll give the pogo stick a try." Idiots. Last edited by dragonrider_cody on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:01 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ptj_tsubasa
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Very much, yes. Every time a male character proclaims his intents to "protect" a female character and/or a female character proclaims his intents to "support" a male character the writer is basically saying "these characters have now grown up and are ready to take on their roles in the society". Even if the society is a post-zombie-apocalyptic wasteland and the female character is an invincible warrior princess, which might make the scene and dialogue sound odd to Western consumers. But it's all about the principle. |
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The Mad Manga Massacre
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So this is what happens when people put their brains in blenders...
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enurtsol
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What a kowinkidink: BBC World News just aired a Japan piece about exactly this.
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VMars
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Wow! Talk about backwards thinking.
Gay people aren't responsible for every single dilemma that heterosexual couples have. Stop using us as scapegoats, and take responsibility towards addressing the real cause. The women in Japan are in the process of claiming independence by breaking their traditional, expected roles in the home and that's what's causing these changes in their society. Japanese women are tired of being the "submissive housewife," they want to have a life of their own. They want to be able to stand on their own, and not have to depend on a man for their happiness. This is something to applaud, and by not talking about it, you become part of the problem. You can try to sweep these things under the rug, but you'll have to face them eventually. And don't you want to be on the side of progress? Justice always triumphs in these matters--though, if the progress in women's rights in the U.S. is any indication, they have a long battle ahead in order to change peoples' perceptions of women in Japanese society. (Girl Power!) |
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