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Mesonoxian Eve
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:42 am
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Blueansy wrote: | I don't see a reason why u should keep your memory devices at home when you are going abroad. |
Simple: the legal advice on this website is seriously lacking in knowledge of the law to falsely advise their client it's okay to import encrypted files.
Little do these budding lawyers realize encrypted files are not protected, and if a password is requested, and not given, the person will find the least of their issues will be the full body cavity search.
In short: leave your risque pleasures at home.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Location: Louisville, KY
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:38 pm
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Mesonoxian Eve wrote: |
Blueansy wrote: | I don't see a reason why u should keep your memory devices at home when you are going abroad. |
Simple: the legal advice on this website is seriously lacking in knowledge of the law to falsely advise their client it's okay to import encrypted files.
Little do these budding lawyers realize encrypted files are not protected, and if a password is requested, and not given, the person will find the least of their issues will be the full body cavity search.
In short: leave your risque pleasures at home. |
that's subjective however I review niche titles or computer programs "eroges to be exact" If i where to travel abroad I don't want to have to worry about being charged. Yes some of the games I do review are bit risque but they aren't nothing that hasn't passed a board to get a legal adaption, uncut from jastusa or manga gamer.
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Blueansy
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:45 pm
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Polycell wrote: | A) A cursory inspection of said file would reveal it almost instantly to be utterly invalid as a Matroska container.
B) Matroska is capable of much awesomeness. In addition to menus, file linking, virtual timelines and multiple editions, that includes attaching files. Make sure you don't go and attach a hundred megabyte file to a thirty second clip, though.
C) Backing up DVDs and BDs can be a violation of the law since it does involve circumventing copy restriction, so things can be said.
D) If you're traveling to a place where they mandate surrendering encryption keys, Truecrypt can bite you in the ass if you really don't use the hidden container and they think you do. |
This was an example (there is lots of different ways how to encrypt).
I don't think a customs officer would be such thoroughgoing and
I don't abet anybody to do something illegal. But one musk ask where has the presumption of innocence gone?
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Polycell
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:02 pm
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Blueansy wrote: | But one musk ask where has the presumption of innocence gone? |
It was sacrificed on the altar of Nazism, drugs, pedophilia and terrorism.
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V1046-R
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:04 pm
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One-Eye wrote: |
V1046-R wrote: |
One-Eye wrote: | From the handbook:
Quote: | You are more likely to be chosen to have your devices searched if you:
-Are importing something the CBSA deems to be suspicious. This could include anime and manga, which the CBSA is highly suspicious of. The CBSA has reminded its officers that “most [anime and manga is] not
child porn”.
-Are a single man traveling alone. |
After reading that handbook its pretty chilling. They can stop anyone at anytime and go thru all your electronic devices. Complain too much? Then its suspicious and you are liable to get your stuff confiscated for a more detailed search. Are you a single man traveling alone with pics of your kids at the beach, then you are probably a pedophile and need to be locked up. It even mentions that there are rumors of searching for illegal copies of media. So, I guess if you have rips of your favorite anime on your laptop or phone you may get scrutinized. |
Common sense would tell me when travelling to another country, don't take chances & don't bring anything that makes you stand out. Including images on electronic devices. You are in someone else's land, and all rules you know about from where you live are out the window. Squeaky clean is my rule of thumb when traveling across borders. |
Has nothing to do with "common sense" or "squeaky clean". If you read the handbook you see it goes beyond carrying manga and anime. You can be chosen at random not because you are guilty of anything. If you have personal client information, trade secrets, heaven forbid that you are a professional photographer, etc and contest them accessing your devices in order to protect private information they may assume that you are hiding something and detain you. They may confiscate your belongings and not give them back to you even if you are not guilty of anything. They may even put spyware on your devices. Everyone crossing the border is therefore considered guilty. This is disappointing from a country that is supposed to have a strong democratic tradition. What is chilling is that I can see plenty of people on this side of the border thinking that its a great idea and taking it even further. |
I am not Canadian, so don't give a sh*t about their cencorship issues. I have no business in Canada, so if I did go there it would be as a tourist. When I am touring another country I don't bring sh*t but my money & clothes to wear. Let the Canadians deal with their messed up laws. I don't care.
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Bastille
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:40 pm
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Polycell wrote: |
Blueansy wrote: | But one musk ask where has the presumption of innocence gone? |
It was sacrificed on the altar of Nazism, drugs, pedophilia and terrorism. |
You forgot communism. As long as the politicians can spin the laws in such a way that they will somehow protect us from the current boogey man of society, the average person will gladly throw away their civil liberties in the name of "safety".
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TarsTarkas
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Location: Virginia, United States
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:44 pm
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Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote: |
Mesonoxian Eve wrote: |
Blueansy wrote: | I don't see a reason why u should keep your memory devices at home when you are going abroad. |
Simple: the legal advice on this website is seriously lacking in knowledge of the law to falsely advise their client it's okay to import encrypted files.
Little do these budding lawyers realize encrypted files are not protected, and if a password is requested, and not given, the person will find the least of their issues will be the full body cavity search.
In short: leave your risque pleasures at home. |
that's subjective however I review niche titles or computer programs "eroges to be exact" If i where to travel abroad I don't want to have to worry about being charged. Yes some of the games I do review are bit risque but they aren't nothing that hasn't passed a board to get a legal adaption, uncut from jastusa or manga gamer. |
Doesn't really matter if it was something that passed a board, if the customs officer is suspicious or you fit their profile it is up to his/her interpretation. You can fight it out in court, once you post bail. Also, doesn't guarantee you will get your material back at the end.
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One-Eye
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:16 am
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V1046-R wrote: |
One-Eye wrote: |
V1046-R wrote: |
One-Eye wrote: | After reading that handbook its pretty chilling. They can stop anyone at anytime and go thru all your electronic devices. Complain too much? Then its suspicious and you are liable to get your stuff confiscated for a more detailed search. Are you a single man traveling alone with pics of your kids at the beach, then you are probably a pedophile and need to be locked up. It even mentions that there are rumors of searching for illegal copies of media. So, I guess if you have rips of your favorite anime on your laptop or phone you may get scrutinized. |
Common sense would tell me when travelling to another country, don't take chances & don't bring anything that makes you stand out. Including images on electronic devices. You are in someone else's land, and all rules you know about from where you live are out the window. Squeaky clean is my rule of thumb when traveling across borders. |
Has nothing to do with "common sense" or "squeaky clean". If you read the handbook you see it goes beyond carrying manga and anime. You can be chosen at random not because you are guilty of anything. If you have personal client information, trade secrets, heaven forbid that you are a professional photographer, etc and contest them accessing your devices in order to protect private information they may assume that you are hiding something and detain you. They may confiscate your belongings and not give them back to you even if you are not guilty of anything. They may even put spyware on your devices. Everyone crossing the border is therefore considered guilty. This is disappointing from a country that is supposed to have a strong democratic tradition. What is chilling is that I can see plenty of people on this side of the border thinking that its a great idea and taking it even further. |
I am not Canadian, so don't give a sh*t about their cencorship issues. I have no business in Canada, so if I did go there it would be as a tourist. When I am touring another country I don't bring sh*t but my money & clothes to wear. Let the Canadians deal with their messed up laws. I don't care. |
I don't know what you are getting so angry about, I was not attacking you or insulting you. My point was that it goes beyond manga and censorship and yes it is a concern when democratic countries start to erode freedoms. This kinda thinking starts to get imported to other countries, so this stuff can affect us. Ideas can spread across borders and law enforcement over reach and corruption has happened in this country.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
Joined: 02 Apr 2011
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:19 am
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TarsTarkas wrote: |
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote: |
Mesonoxian Eve wrote: |
Blueansy wrote: | I don't see a reason why u should keep your memory devices at home when you are going abroad. |
Simple: the legal advice on this website is seriously lacking in knowledge of the law to falsely advise their client it's okay to import encrypted files.
Little do these budding lawyers realize encrypted files are not protected, and if a password is requested, and not given, the person will find the least of their issues will be the full body cavity search.
In short: leave your risque pleasures at home. |
that's subjective however I review niche titles or computer programs "eroges to be exact" If i where to travel abroad I don't want to have to worry about being charged. Yes some of the games I do review are bit risque but they aren't nothing that hasn't passed a board to get a legal adaption, uncut from jastusa or manga gamer. |
Doesn't really matter if it was something that passed a board, if the customs officer is suspicious or you fit their profile it is up to his/her interpretation. You can fight it out in court, once you post bail. Also, doesn't guarantee you will get your material back at the end. |
fair enough then jast-usa, manga gamer do have all ages vn's so i will just play it safe with those installed. I don't think customs will mind cicadas buzzing from higurashi to much
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Sunday Silence
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:01 pm
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Prosecution: Can you tell us the nature of your relationship to the accused?
Bishojo: ...
Prosecution: Can you tell us where he touched you?
Bishojo: ...
Prosecution: Your honor, clearly the victim is traumatized! The defendant is guilty of child molestation of a 2-dimensional object (body pillow case)! The prosecution recommends prison butt rape and social sanctions for the rest of their life!!
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GATSU
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:49 am
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dtm42
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:56 am
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I'm not surprised that this guy hadn't encrypted his HDD. Before this and other cases came out, who in their right mind would suspect harmless pictures of landing a person in this much trouble?
If I ever visit Canada I will definitely encrypt my harddrive before travelling. I have Dance in the Vampire Bund among other titles that I don't want some over-zealous customs twit getting in a lather about.
Officials need to go after the real child abusers, this was just a farce. One that put an innocent man through two years of hell.
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Polycell
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:28 am
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You might as well start encrypting everything now - if you only start being paranoid when you need to be, you're too late.
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Clyde_Cash
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:12 pm
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Kougeru wrote: | thats a lot of wasted money, could've been better spent on a lawsuit agaisnt real CP instead |
Yes, yes, yes! Real CP involves violating real kids. Drawn comic characters don't.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:04 am
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Encrypted files are meaningless. The Custom's officer of the nation you are visiting can request the key for it, and if you refuse you will be arrested, and your drive will be sent to professionals to break into.
Bottom line is it is not safe to bring anime and manga into Canada, and I would even include Australia too.
But if you want to gamble your freedom and income, go on ahead. You can be sure the Custom officer could care less what you think.
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