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NEWS: New Rurouni Kenshin TV Anime's Visual Reveals July Premiere


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Los Nido



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:51 am Reply with quote
Really great visual. I have no doubt this series is going to be amazing. Fans have been waiting for decades for a remake to happen. I can easily see this being the top anime of the year, or at least one of them. The hype has been monumental.

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The rest of your post is pretty much "other people do crimes and people don't mind, so I can support this pedophile".

Personally I would rather support Watsuki than most of the other people that poster mentioned. I find his crime to be not a big deal compared to something like rape or drugs considering people have been saying the material he had was actually legal to own up until a few years prior to his arrest.
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Maidenoftheredhand



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:35 am Reply with quote
Sometimes I wonder people who make arguments like this really understand what child porn actually is. You would think hurting real children would be a deal breaker but nope.
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lossthief
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:46 am Reply with quote
Krisqo wrote:
People get so bent up about the pennies in royalties they give to the creator and ignore the dozens of other people who put the time and effort into creating the anime/game. It's their job to make the product be the best it can be and deserve to reap the rewards of that effort.

So think about that before you decide to sail the seven seas or try and boycott. You are hurting many more innocent bystanders.

Not really. The animators working on this adaptation get paid the same, regardless of how well or poorly it does. They don't see any royalties or returns for their work. The people who get more money are the suits on the production commitee.
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Vanadise



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:57 am Reply with quote
Krisqo wrote:
People get so bent up about the pennies in royalties they give to the creator and ignore the dozens of other people who put the time and effort into creating the anime/game.

This is such a ridiculous argument that I'm still surprised every time somebody makes it. This thread is filled with a lot of incredibly flimsy justifications for ignoring even the slightest bit of responsibility in favor of your own self-gratification, but this is the flimsiest.

First, the rank-and-file workers do not get paid royalties. They have already been paid for their job. They will not be any worse off if you do not watch it.

Second, they chose to work on it. They could have said "no" and done something else. None of them are slaves who were forced to work on it (presumably; if they were, that's another matter). They do not deserve your support purely because they chose to work on a thing.
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- Rowling and Mignogna are not criminals.
- Miller and Watsuki were charged with actual crimes.

The second flimsiest argument people like to make is fixating on whether something is legal or not. And, look: that doesn't matter. At all. (as a corollary, that means it also doesn't matter whether they suffered any legal punishment or not)

Legality is not morality. Fans do not like those people because they are all terrible people who unrepentantly hurt others whether it was legal or not. I, personally, refuse to support any of those people because I do not want to provide any money or fame to already-famous people who will use that support to justify and enable their own behaviors.

If you do, that's your choice, but just be honest and admit that you are unwilling to forsake any amount of immediate gratification because it would slightly inconvenience you; don't make non sequitur arguments in an attempt to justify it.
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getumbuck



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:25 am Reply with quote
I will never support the self righteous hive mind of Twitter. Telling others what they should and should not do. By their stupid logic, I shouldn't even own a cellphone, given how the parts for them basically come from child labor. The simple truth of the matter is, if you look hard enough, nearly every product you enjoy, will eventually come down to you providing money to someone with questionable morals. It's simply math and the way economics work. Apparently by Twitter logic, every time I see a movie trailer, I should first look up to make sure non of the stars, directors or producers have questionable morals, before watching the film.
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Beatdigga



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:48 am Reply with quote
I’m still confused why they’re making a rebooted series now after a rather successful live-action movie series that were all genuinely good samurai films. You could have ended the whole thing after The Final hit Netflix and avoided walking into this utterly massive minefield. Is there really a market for this series so soon to the point you willingly bring someone fresh off a conviction to the forefront, especially for something so heinous? This all feels completely unnecessary on so many ends.

The sad thing is it probably will be licensed regardless, and if any streamer refuses to on not wanting to wade into that minefield, a smaller streamer will likely think it worth the risk.
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Minos_Kurumada



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:02 pm Reply with quote
They have been rebooting various properties that didn't get their original endings adapted, this is just another one.
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whiskeyii



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:11 pm Reply with quote
I would also hazard a tentative guess that if this does well enough, there’s also the as-of-yet unadapted sequel waiting in the wings.
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Glordit



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:16 am Reply with quote
Don't care about any of the controversy surrounding this. Life it too short to be playing moral cops and robbers.
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Avec ou Nous



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:38 am Reply with quote
Beatdigga wrote:
I’m still confused why they’re making a rebooted series now after a rather successful live-action movie series that were all genuinely good samurai films. You could have ended the whole thing after The Final hit Netflix and avoided walking into this utterly massive minefield. Is there really a market for this series so soon to the point you willingly bring someone fresh off a conviction to the forefront, especially for something so heinous? This all feels completely unnecessary on so many ends.

Live-action will never be a substitute for animation. Anime is the perfect adaption medium for manga. The live-action movies are fine for what they are, but a true anime adaption is the dream goal of any manga fan.

And people are really overblowing this 'controversy'. It's non-existent in Japan. Watsuki was invited to be a judge for the upcoming 105th Tezuka Manga Awards. And I bet even in America most people don't care about it at all as we saw with Hogwarts Legacy's situation making a mountain out of a molehill.
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NeverConvex
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:52 am Reply with quote
Avec ou Nous wrote:
And people are really overblowing this 'controversy'. It's non-existent in Japan...I bet even in America most people don't care about it at all as we saw with Hogwarts Legacy's situation making a mountain out of a molehill.

What are you using to guess at how most Japanese folks feel about it?

I also don't really see why this matters -- even if only a few people cared about it, the evidence in his case is pretty damning. It doesn't transform into something benign just because a lot of people are indifferent or not thoughtful about it.
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Joker#941490



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:52 pm Reply with quote
Megumi Chisato wrote:
I find issues like these with J. K. Rowling, Ezra Miller, Vic Mignogna, Nobuhiro Nishiwaki, etc... very fascinating from a moral/philosophical standpoint. Beyond the whole separating the artist from their art debate, do criminals deserve fair compensation for their work? What if they've already been charged and reformed? Are we criminals by association if the money we pay to appreciate their work gets appropriated into funding criminal acts? But we didn't specifically pay to enable their criminal behavior. Shouldn't they take full responsibility for what they do with the money that they rightfully earned? Is it our job to play the moral arbiter when it comes to deciding who is worthy of making an honest living? By extension, does this mean that those who accept their money in exchange for food are also enabling their crimes by prolonging their lives?

I don't have a definitive answer to these questions, but I can't help pondering them whenever cases like these pop up (as this kinda hits close to home for personal reasons). Regardless, I'll probably check the series out if I'm able to. Samurai X was one of the few anime I actually watched religiously growing up.


indeed it's interesting because who accusing who watches or likes the series as an evil person claiming to be a good lawful person while he isn't any better and could be someone who just likes to make people look bad which is more bad.
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zeopower6



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:03 pm Reply with quote
There is truly no joy left in enjoying Kenshin. It feels like any time it comes up in the west, this comes up. Is it this problematic in Japan?
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