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Ryuji-Dono
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But not the tone. |
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Brent Allison
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Yeah, I'm not really a fan of "tone policing" in the abstract, but sadly social media is still not the best medium for strangers to understand someone else's anger and not simply dismiss it or thoughtlessly spread it. Hence my hire-your-own-tone-police idea. |
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Beatdigga
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Regardless of tone, putting any group in animation on blast, particularly one as notable as Women In Animation is a one-way ticket to being blacklisted for life. I do genuinely hope that she got some catharsis from calling out Crunchyroll for swearing off Avatar clones and shows that use diversity as their main means of advertising after High Guardian Spice blew up in their faces, because her career is for all intents and purposes, dead. She needs to get another job in another field because her career is over.
As for Crunchyroll, after what happened with that show, and probably being sold a false bill of goods on it by its creator, it’s little wonder they tried to completely paint over the show with tons of Webtoon adaptations. And if it’s a choice between this and say, My Wife is a Demon Queen, it’s easy to see why they would choose the latter. |
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Ryuji-Dono
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Again, it remains to be seen once it’s fully released, especially after Onyx Equinox that’s getting some promo without the focus on diversity despite being made by a Latin woman. I’ll say it again: execution is the key. |
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Stampeed Valkyrie
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Not my cup of tea.. sounds like the company putting up the $$ (crunchyroll) realized that this project was not going to make $$. And it got the Axe.
This is happening in other mediums as well.. Marvel and DC Comics are proving diversity does not bring in the $$. If you can write a good story with likeable characters and have diversity by all means go for it. But to expect your project to succeed or fail based on any inter sectional political beliefs is silly. I kinda feel sorry for this creator, as this comes off as more of a whine then anything actually deserving deep thought. Directly addressing an employer or even potential employer in this fashion is never a good idea. I hope this is not a lesson lost on her and that she can continue to create. |
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Lynx Raven Raide
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The problem with pushing diversity angles is just that: they push it. Rather than have it layered in as though it is normal, which is what it is, they go ahead with promotional campaigns like with HGS, which instantly put people off. The anti crowd will jump on it because that marketing is in your face, and there are those in the pro crowd that will also be ticked off because they are using them as a marketing tool rather than normalise things. The fact CR and by extension AT&T Time Warner didn't expect the backlash and push through kinda surprises me to be honest, though,
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H. Guderian
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If we like it we'll find a way to support it. That's how this industry works. That's how the people running it knows how it works. This controversy about HGS started because they launched with a trailer that talked about nothing someone might actually watch the show for. It was a failure in marketing.
Diversity is the Veganism of entertainment. There are good advocates for The Cause, and then there's the ones that won't stop talking about it to the point it affects their relationships and jobs. |
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Horsefellow
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Who says they didn't? Outrage farming is a common marketing tactic these days. Say something inflammatory in the marketing or PR articles and you're guaranteed to generate online discourse and discussion which is free advertising for your work. Companies do it all the time. The thing is I doubt it's actually effective, either for or against a product. You might get a few people who will watch a show or movie to "own the chuds/own the libs" but they're overall negligible numbers. Mainstream audiences don't care about this stuff. They'll either see something if it's something they're interested in, or they won't if it isn't. |
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Beatdigga
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Equinox was getting laughed at pretty hard when it was first announced for all the usual reasons. The lesson was pretty clear, the association is set, and the viewing public won’t forgive these shows for the sins of the ones that came before. Too many occasions of “watch this or you’re racist”, “watch this or you’re sexist”, etc, etc. |
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Cutiebunny
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Someone might need to advise the 22 year old creator that it takes time to get to the top. Expecting that people and companies are going to roll out the red carpet for you because you're diverse and peddling diverse wares is unrealistic at best.
Any show that touts diversity or forces diversity down my throat is one that I won't watch. I feel like a lot of shows are going down the route of "Let's have a minority LBTQ+ couple because it's the in thing!" right now and are consistently creating pairings only to highlight said pairings. I honestly don't care what color or sexual preference any character has but regardless, I don't want it constantly pointed out unless it's an important plot point. I will never support a show just because the main character is a minority character. Come back to me with an awesome execution, storyline and animation and then we'll talk. The reason why older shows featuring couples were successful was because they weren't constantly pointing out the racial make-ups of their couples. People loved "I Love Lucy" because it was a genuinely funny show (albeit with some humor that hasn't aged well) and not because it solely focused on the different racial backgrounds of its two main characters. |
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Dragon_Kaiser
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Imagine having a take that characters can only be LGBT or of color so long as it’s important to the plot but every white and straight character can be straight and white without having plot relevance get out of here with that crap. I’m guessing you don’t complain about the thousands of shows with straight relationships or the thousands of shows that have majority white cast. {Mod Edit} I edited your post. Leave out the insults. ~ Psycho 101 |
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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ActuallyI Love Lucy was groundbreaking and controversial in many ways, including the interracial, multicultural starring couple and the amount of power Lucille Ball, a *gasp* woman had over the production.
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Blanchimont
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To add, just the other day there was an article on Japan Today on the harsh world of screenwriters;
Note, the forum can't parse that url correctly, that's why in code... |
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Lynx Raven Raide
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Oh I fully understand that, though the fact they are having cold feet now makes me kinda wonder what went wrong this time. Normally companies double-down, but unless they are seeing this reaction plus the reaction to Marvel's recent misadventure and thinking maybe they shouldn't push it |
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Cutiebunny
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Please show me where I wrote that "every white and straight character can be straight and white without having plot relevance". You can't because I didn't write that. I don't think anyone's race, sexuality, etc. should ever be an issue or stressed on any show. I watch shows because the plot looks interesting.
Yes, and I never said it wasn't groundbreaking nor controversial. What I said was that the show was loved because it didn't harp on the multicultural element. Nor did it harp on the main character being a woman or a woman being in charge of the production. It was a genuinely funny show and that's why it was loved as much as it has been. {Mod Edit} I edited your post. Leave out the flamebait comments about removing posts. ~ Psycho 101 |
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