Forum - View topicNEWS: Digital Manga's PeCChi Imprint Launches Kickstarter for Kodomo no Jikan Manga
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Shiroi Hane
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I was about to say it is still the girls who are the targets of nudity/fanservice (and they are also underage, unlike the teacher/student scenario here anyway) but then I remembered "his ding-a-ling touched my butt!".
There was another kickstarter (I forget which) which had to modify their tiers due to Kickstarter banning their planned pillow covers. I can't remember how explicit the covers were in that case (although in both cases parts of the images are obscured, and they aren't even showing the back side here) |
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Halko
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Back in the 50s a man by the name of Nabokov wrote a novel that was extremely controversial and outright banned in many places. France alone banned it three separate times. It changed the definition of an entire word and spread the usage of that word worldwide. The novel was heralded as an exquisite piece of literature and a pile of vile smut by many different people. Despite of all of the outcry and condemnation of much of the public it went on to become one of the greatest American novels of the last century. It is of course the book named Lolita which is exactly where the "lolita complex" that lolicon is short for derived its name from.
Any form of art be it literature or a painting must stand on its own two feet and show itself for what it is. How tall it stands and how resilient it stays put is how you can tell if something is truly great or not. I loved Kodomo no Jikan when i read it and i absolutely adore Lolita. Its not because of the subject matter or how its presented but instead the fact that is is simply great art. KnJ isnt and will never be the next Lolita but maybe its release will spur some kind of PRODUCTIVE discussion over the entire lolicon issue instead of the general "I dont agree with it so its BAD AND YOUR A PERVERT" discussions that generally revolve around it. In that case maybe it will be the lolita of western fans and i hope it is as the rote disdain people have for anything that might possibly even kind of be even somewhat underage is really quite annoying. Also if someone is to judge if something is obscene or not they must first actually consume and digest what is to be judged. You cant just read a summary of the story and see a picture or two and have any real notion of anything. If you want to judge KnJ or lolita READ THEM YOURSELVES. You will probably find there is more to them than just smut. Still lets be honest and just say that both have their share of it. In any case a person should always look to expand their horizions and experience more of what is available. You dont have to like what you see but seeing something for what it is rather than what you want to perceive it to be based on prejudice are two very different things. Almost 15 years ago i was posting on forums asking people why they would ever waste their time watching foreign cartoons in another language and about how cartoons in general are stupid. Here i am today. Stay open minded people. |
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Parsifal24
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Well I backed it so now if it gets funded I'll get all the volumes and the short story collection I really hope it gets funded as this is a series that desipte the (to put it euphimisticaly) "uncomfortable elements". Has valid things to say about growing up still I know this is going to be really divisive but I backed the die has been cast and I'm happy.
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Agent355
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No one argues that violent video games have literary value and should open up a discussion on how society views wanton murder, assassination, warfare or grand theft auto.
If anyone wants KnJ to "open discussions" and challenge the notion that children can be instigators of sexual relationships with adults, or that child sexual abuse isn't damaging, expect to get a lot of pushback.
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G S Palmer
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Concerns about the series' content aside, unless Kickstarter pulls it, this looks like it will get funded, since it's only been what, one day? and it's already a sixth of the way to it's hardcover stretch goal.
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razisgosu
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Hilarious seeing all the whiners and complainers about how this is filth and will get pulled with massive backlash. Well, I'm pledging the physical collection. $10 per volume is pretty damn cheap compared to normal kickstarter prices.
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Blanchimont
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One thing that bugs me is the price though, I admit. The tier I chose with physical and digital version of the entire series was $200 +73 for shipping(customs will add +$40 something I think...).
Meanwhile, the entire Japanese physical edition of it is available for order on Rakuten for under twenty bucks + shipping. I went and ordered that too, for why the hell not. At least I'll be able to compare if I ever complete my Japanese studies... |
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Utsuro no Hako
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People have, actually, and the Supreme Court upheld the view in Brown v Entertainment Merchants Association. NB: One of the games considered in that case was RapeLay, an eroge where the player goes around raping women on the subway. Justice Alito, in a concurring opinion that took issue with some of the majority's reasoning, suggested that such games, being interactive might have effects upon player beyond standard entertainment formats like movies and books, and as such they might be more prone to restrictions, but the main ruling rejected this view. |
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ximpalullaorg
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I think this has nothing to do with the manga itself. People are to blame if they commit such acts, not a piece of paper with some ink on it. Again, I think the manga is horrible. But back then and even now I can't even understand why people would NOT want it published, aside moralism. I wouldn't certain let anyone I know read it, but if they want to, it's their choice. And the market will tell if there's a place for a manga like this, regardless if I like it or not. |
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perroloco
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I really don't understand why there's so much controversy about this, I mean there have been some mangas published in the US with minors portrayed in a 'sexual' manner..
If you wanna go technical Naruto's first chapter had Naruto's Sexy Jutsu showing part of a nipple (though that was censored in the US release, I think?) Ranma had a TON of nude scenes, heck even Dragon Ball had Bulma naked.. Every Masakazu Katsura manga had teenagers naked.. Even One Piece's Nami had some very sexualized comments when she was a child, I remember her saying once to one of the guys who took care of her when she was a kid that she would pay back 'with her body', this is a line Nami said when she was like 10 years aold (though I don't know if Viz censored) So why is it that people find this manga so controversial? I don't know much about law, and I know even less about US's laws but I think someone from the age of 0 to 18 is considered a minor, so if Bulma, Ranma, or any other character was sexualized, I don't think there would be any difference (in the eyes of the law) to having a 9 year old sexualized.. We also have literature that has sexualized minors, people already commented on Lolita and Lost Girls.. But there's also a very popular series of books, 'A song of ice and fire', AKA 'Game of Thrones' a lot of the characters in the books have different ages, for example Daenerys is 13 in the books when the story starts, so yeah.. And George isn't shy when it comes to sex scenes,spoiler[ not even describing the naked body of a 13 year old girl about to consumate marriage.]. |
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Fronzel
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I wonder if miscellany like the pilot chapters or short comics bundled with the anime DVDs will be included somewhere in these books.
I'd guess the lesser cultural cachet of comic books compared to novels is a factor as well as the level of the graphic nature of "objectionable" content. I haven't read Lolita but as I understand it the book is not very explicit regarding sex (because of poetic language as much as anything else) whereas there's lots of near-nudity, underwear, etc. in Kodomo no Jikan. |
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battlechili1
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This is awesome news! If this gets published it'd be an excellent win for free speech in the West. It really sucks that the controversy last time this was going to get published wound up having the release cancelled. I really hope this is successful this time around! Although if it winds up censored at all I won't be supporting it, though it looks like from statements on the Kickstarter page that it won't be an issue to worry about.
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Ojamajo LimePie
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Regarding Lolita, people often miss that the book has an unreliable narrator. It's no love story. HH is a pedophile and any sex is intended to be read as straight-up rape.
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ximpalullaorg
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This has nothing to do with free speech, actually. It's a product that isn't illegal and can be sold on the market. And only the market can judge if it's successful or not. |
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MakoMori
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THANK YOU for wonderfully articulating what creeps me (and I imagine other people) out about this. I honestly don't understand why we should question things like objecting to adults having sexual relations with children. I am against censorship, and if people want to read it they should be able to, but I don't see how this is some kind of grand statement for free speech/anti PC-culture or whatever. |
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