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MaxSouth
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A decent thing to do would be just to apologise for characterizing a fellow member with blatantly incorrect description. But if Zac is the way to deal with it, then so be it. Cam0: of course, I am talking about what is going to be the most feasible, considering developments in science and technology. People may not care to track it, but I do. If you would talk about this to any tech-savvy person, the chances that they will agree that my opinions are not "peculiar" on this. |
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Key
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Yes, I think that's the best way to put it. 
MaxSouth: Are you aware that this series was made with full consultations by the Japanese Space Agency and NASA? (One or both are listed in the credits for the series.) The latter are even interviewed in the extras that came with the DVD releases, and IIRC the only part of the portrayal that they questioned was how financially feasible a Debris Section would actually be. Now, the series was made in 2003-2004 (and those extras were probably filmed in 2005 for the American DVD releases), so perhaps there have been substantial developments on the space debris front in the past decade. Barring that, though, I am going to trust the opinions of NASA scientists on how much of this premise is or is not realistic over anything you say unless you can point to specific articles (from credible scientific sources) which back up your claims. And I think you'll find, as you watch more of the series, that it has immensely more "hard" science than in any other anime sci fi series out there. The writers and directors actually did know what they were doing on the science front, and that is a point of virtually universal agreement. |
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Cam0
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I meant in general, not necessarily in this particular instance.
To me it seemed that you used a prediction as a fact to shoot down the premise of this show. Sure you could predict what is most likely going to happen, but it is a prediction nonetheless and no one can accurately predict what is going to happen 60 years from now when there are so many variables to consider. |
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lem
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at this point this will sound like an echo, but I rather enjoyed Planetes for what it is way back when so...
This is a good example of what happens when you confuse what you would like to see, or rather what you wish that you experienced in your anime and then proceed to post about it as if it were truth. Just a few examples of this, in your own words: "everything is going to be fully robotic"As if you know these things for fact. You don't. So it's just you wishing they had consulted you first. "the premise would be already resolved" Again, you weren't there. So you don't know. "by 2075..." Welcome back from the future? okay so you don't like the premise and perhaps a few other "details". The things is though, It's already been done. If you want a different one, then feel free to produce your own show. I'm looking forward to it! The problem here is not what you present, but how. That and your inability to rewrite entire shows that have already been produced and then redistribute them to the entire fandom for the best possible viewing experience. As usual? |
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HaruhiToy
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At one point I thought he was a troll because his posts come off as very trollish. But over time I have become convinced that he really believes the things he writes. I mostly don't respond to his posts any more but I am not inclined to complain either. On this topic, yes there are some discontinuities with some of the interactions but you can almost always write a "why did they do that" essay and I think it is mostly pointless. Just like a real life person you either like the personality (or respond to it) or you don't. There was nothing that fractured the story in any meaningful way. Where the criticism goes off the rails though is the complaint that the technological world wouldn't likely be what the anime depicts. In fact they have done a very good job of portraying what life in a zero-G habitat might be like. And yes there will be anachronisms that exist for whatever reason. You know that because it happens today. Last week we had a train wreck in the U.S. and last year one in Spain because we are still using human operators that simply created errors. Why aren't we just using robots for driving trains? We have the technology. So I suppose on that standard the world we are living in can't really exist. Come to think of it I don't have the flying car I was promised back in the '60s. Well damn. |
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Touma
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I gave up on watching Planetes because it just was not holding my interest. I kept thinking of other things that I would rather be watching.
So my comments are based on only the first eight or ten episodes, which I watched sporadically over a few months. The general depiction of people living and working in orbit seemed very realistic to me. However, I do join MaxSouth in thinking that the technology for dealing with orbital debris should have been more advanced than what was shown. However, I do not consider that to be a flaw in the writing. It is just a different, and perhaps more pessimistic, expectation of what might happen in the future. I am old enough to have watched the manned moon landings on television. From the perspective of the young person that I was then the current state of space travel and technology is literally primitive compared to what I had expected. I really, seriously, thought that I would be able to take a vacation at a resort on the moon by now. So I am definitely not going to say that the writers of Planetes are wrong for having expectations that differ from my own. |
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yuna49
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As a kid in the late fifties/early sixties I was one of the winners in some contest on a cereal box that made me eligible to reserve a seat on a commercial PanAm space flight. This was years before 2001: A Space Odyssey so I have to assume PanAm really was considering getting into the commercial space travel business. PanAm. RIP. They couldn't even manage to get more than one season on television either. |
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Jose Cruz
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I liked it very much commercial/large scale space colonization was always among my interests. Though it wasn't a masterpiece if compared to other shows.
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MaxSouth
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I did notice that in some aspects the show is aware of technology and laws of physics, so it is quite possible that it was made with consultations from professionals (and I also agree that most of space shows are worse in it than this project). But the issue for consultants was that the very concept itself was nonsensical (id est the need of humans to collect debris in 2075), and they could have no ways to change it. This is why in such cases I would say to authors: if you have a story, but can not come up with futuristic setting that makes sense, move it back. It is not unsimilar to, say, Gravity film, which was profoundly nonsensical in what was shown to happen there. As result, great psychologic drama was ruined for viewers like me who could not detach themselves from common sense. If authors would move the story to, say, underwater settings, it would not look ridiculous and might be genuine, believable piece of art. |
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Kruszer
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Please go troll someone else's thread. Thanks for the bump, though.
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nobahn
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HaruhiToy
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The extras on my DVD copy has several interviews with the NASA scientists that participated in the production. So yes indeed it is "quite possible." Also from the wikipedia article:
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MaxSouth
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I did not contest that the show had consultants.
This means you do not have anything in essence to say, so you are only left to troll by putting those provocative one-liners? Give some arguments or abstain; this discussion board rule is not that hard to follow. |
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Key
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No, but you seem to be actively pooh-poohing any value or relevancy they could add to the series. As I've said before, I don't think you're (intentionally) trolling, but you tick people off with the way you nitpick everything to death, including judging shows based on factors that are demonstrably wrong, making claims for what a show should be doing to be realistic without reasonable foundation (particularly the case here), and showing not even the slightest iota of tolerance for dramatic license. Granted, on the last point there are plenty of series which go way too far and deserve criticism for it, but you set your standards so ridiculously high that I am continually left wondering why you even bother to watch anime since it almost never satisfies you (or is ever going to). Actually, given how picky you are about details, I'd almost be interested to see what you would say about Flag, but that's a topic for another thread. |
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Nyron
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The manga is better anyway
It's a character story, the logistics of the setting weren't supposed to be that important. the author could have told roughly the same story in any time period. |
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