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Mario1234567 wrote:

mdo7 wrote:

Mario1234567 wrote:

This not being on Wii U is an Injustice.... I am freakin pissed. Nintendo needs to kick these asses off the Super Smash Bros project. They don't deserve the F***in honor.

Then how is Yakuza 1 and 2 previously a PS exclusive getting a Wii U port be any different then what you said. Are you going to complain about that, is that a betrayal for PS owners too or that's OK because anything previously on PS and Xbox exclusive going on Nintendo console get loved while anything Nintendo exclusive appearing on PS3/360 get bashed?

Yakusa is NOT a Wii U exclusive it came out on PS3 back in December. So what you just said means nothing.

OK that part doesn't make any sense. I never said Yakuza 1 and 2 was Wii U exclusive. You attack Namco Bandai for porting Tales of Symphonia (both the first and second game) to PS3 yet you're OK with Yakuza a former PS exclusive getting a Wii U port. What about Mass Effect getting a PS3 port when it was formerly a Xbox 360 exclusive, does that mean Bioware is a traitor to MS and Xbox fanboys, what if I tell you Gears of War could get a PS3 or a PS4 port or maybe a Wii U port who knows in the future since it turns out MS doesn't own the IP like many people thought.

Even if Symphonia premiered on a Nintendo console, it got a (much better) port to the PS2 later. Just like Vesperia premier on the 360 then got a much better port on the PS3.

I think it's safe to say Tales is a Sony-focused title outside the handhelds which both show up on PSP and DS. Not that the west gets most of those anyway.

mewpudding101 wrote:

Mario1234567 wrote:

This not being on Wii U is an Injustice.... I am freakin pissed. Nintendo needs to kick these asses off the Super Smash Bros project. They don't deserve the F***in honor.

Wow. You are... Wow. Tales has left Nintendo consoles due to its non-focus on more hardcore games. That's just the way it is. Why do you think all the Japanese people have forgotten about the original release of Tales of Graces?

Actually it is the popularity of the PS3 in Japan rather than the existing content of the Wii thought brought about that decision. That is why the 360 was left out as well. While it was a big seller in NA, it has done rather terribly in Japan compared to the PS3 and the first and foremost audience Namco targets is its Japanese audience, of course they are coming to hedge their bets and go with the console that has the most sales and thus the biggest base to buy more games.

switchgear1131 wrote:

mewpudding101 wrote:

Mario1234567 wrote:

This not being on Wii U is an Injustice.... I am freakin pissed. Nintendo needs to kick these asses off the Super Smash Bros project. They don't deserve the F***in honor.

Wow. You are... Wow. Tales has left Nintendo consoles due to its non-focus on more hardcore games. That's just the way it is. Why do you think all the Japanese people have forgotten about the original release of Tales of Graces?

Actually it is the popularity of the PS3 in Japan rather than the existing content of the Wii thought brought about that decision. That is why the 360 was left out as well. While it was a big seller in NA, it has done rather terribly in Japan compared to the PS3 and the first and foremost audience Namco targets is its Japanese audience, of course they are coming to hedge their bets and go with the console that has the most sales and thus the biggest base to buy more games.

What I mean is that the Playstation 3 is the console for RPG players. I know the XBOX360 sells horribly in Japan- Trust me, I live here.

mewpudding101 wrote:

switchgear1131 wrote:

mewpudding101 wrote:

Mario1234567 wrote:

This not being on Wii U is an Injustice.... I am freakin pissed. Nintendo needs to kick these asses off the Super Smash Bros project. They don't deserve the F***in honor.

Wow. You are... Wow. Tales has left Nintendo consoles due to its non-focus on more hardcore games. That's just the way it is. Why do you think all the Japanese people have forgotten about the original release of Tales of Graces?

Actually it is the popularity of the PS3 in Japan rather than the existing content of the Wii thought brought about that decision. That is why the 360 was left out as well. While it was a big seller in NA, it has done rather terribly in Japan compared to the PS3 and the first and foremost audience Namco targets is its Japanese audience, of course they are coming to hedge their bets and go with the console that has the most sales and thus the biggest base to buy more games.

What I mean is that the Playstation 3 is the console for RPG players. I know the XBOX360 sells horribly in Japan- Trust me, I live here.

About the 360, is it true that a lot of stores don't even bother stocking it anymore? And that many people don't even view it as one of the 3 major consoles? I've heard reports of these things but never any confirmation.

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RyanSaotome wrote:

It makes total sense not being on Wii U... RPG players don't own Wii U. Its that simple... all the RPG fans own PS3.

Yeah.. sure dude. Go on living in your bubble.

I was expecting them to at least make it multi platform (WiiU/PS3) since the first game was originally released worldwide for the GC and later re-released for the PS2 (only in japan).
If they are going for that route, i am fine with it. I was already pissed off since all the bullshit they did to Microsoft and Nintendo customers with the X360/Wii BETA games and PS3 perfect releases. And now this. Not even Sony's First Parties licks Sony's ass like that.

I am highly considering skipping the next Smash Bros because i will not spend any money, never again, on something that a rat company like that is involved.

mdo7 wrote:

Mario1234567 wrote:

mdo7 wrote:

Mario1234567 wrote:

This not being on Wii U is an Injustice.... I am freakin pissed. Nintendo needs to kick these asses off the Super Smash Bros project. They don't deserve the F***in honor.

Then how is Yakuza 1 and 2 previously a PS exclusive getting a Wii U port be any different then what you said. Are you going to complain about that, is that a betrayal for PS owners too or that's OK because anything previously on PS and Xbox exclusive going on Nintendo console get loved while anything Nintendo exclusive appearing on PS3/360 get bashed?

Yakusa is NOT a Wii U exclusive it came out on PS3 back in December. So what you just said means nothing.

OK that part doesn't make any sense. I never said Yakuza 1 and 2 was Wii U exclusive. You attack Namco Bandai for porting Tales of Symphonia (both the first and second game) to PS3 yet you're OK with Yakuza a former PS exclusive getting a Wii U port. What about Mass Effect getting a PS3 port when it was formerly a Xbox 360 exclusive, does that mean Bioware is a traitor to MS and Xbox fanboys, what if I tell you Gears of War could get a PS3 or a PS4 port or maybe a Wii U port who knows in the future since it turns out MS doesn't own the IP like many people thought.

pretty much this it won't hurt anybody if the Wii U also got the HD collect in fact i am looking at the sells figures of tales of symphonia and the gamecube version sold 1.10m units and according to vgchartz the gamecube version is the best selling tales of game and even sold the most in north america

This whole "why isn't it on Wii U" arguing is bothering me a bit, especially since the Wii U uses a different control scheme than is already supported by the games.

Regardless, I looked at the mothership titles for the series, to look at systems. Enhanced rereleases are included in the listings as a rerelease of the original game. Each game will be listed as follows:
Title: Original System (company), later/systems (and companies)

Phantasia: Super Famicom (Nintendo), Playstation/Gameboy Advance/PSP/Mobile Phone/PSP (Sony, Nintendo, Sony, ???, Sony)

Destiny: Playstation (Sony), Playstation 2/Playstation 2 (Sony, Sony)

Eternia: Playstation (Sony), PSP (Sony)

Destiny 2: Playstation 2 (Sony), PSP (Sony)

Symphonia: GameCube (Nintendo), Playstation 2 (Sony)

Rebirth: Playstation 2 (Sony), PSP (Sony)

Legendia: Playstation 2 (Sony)

Abyss: Playstation 2 (Sony), 3DS (Nintendo)

Innocense: DS (Nintendo), PS Vita (Sony)

Vesperia: 360 (Microsoft), PS3 (Sony)

Hearts: DS (Nintendo), PS Vita (Sony)

Graces: Wii (Nintendo), PS3 (Sony)

Xillia: PS3 (Sony)

Xillia 2: PS3 (Sony)

So, of the 14 mothership titles, 5 were originally on a Nintendo system, 1 originally on a Microsoft system, and 8 originally on a Sony system. However, of those, only 2 rereleases have been on a Nintendo system (both either were originally released or also rereleased on a Sony system), and 13 rereleases on a Sony system. EVERY mothership title has a Sony release of some sort.

Even looking at the Escort titles, which rarely have rereleases, we've got 1 Nintendo console, 5 Nintendo handhelds, 1 PC release, 2 Sony consoles, and 6 Sony handhelds.

In total, for number of releases (original and rerelease), we have 13 Nintendo releases, 1 Microsoft release, and 29 Sony releases.

The ONLY games that are Nintendo-only are the second 2 Narikiri Dungeon games (Gameboy Advance), the Summoner's Lineage game (GBA), Tempest (DS), and Symphonia 2 (Wii). So there's only ONE console Tales game that has never been released on a Sony system, and only 5 and an online PC game total.

Why are people questioning that this is on PS3 again?

Well I'm happy to get both games(never played the sequel). Given the Wii U's poor performance (at least from what I can see on game blogs), it makes sense to release the game on a console that already has an audience.

Of course, one could make the argument that the Wii U would sell better with more games like Symphonia; but the game companies want to sell games not consoles.

It's funny, it seems pretty undeniable that most if not all the jrpg audience is on PS3.

Yet, pretty much every other system had way better offerings than it this gen. That is unless you really dig the Gust/Nis crap.

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While a good game Symphonia is my least favorite in the series that I've played so I can't say I care too much, thought I'll most likely pick it up to support Tales games come over here. I'd be much more excited if the Vita remakes made their way over here, but looks like that ain't happening.

And as far as the silly Nintendo fanboys crying about console allegiance, do you really want Namco to sink themselves by releasing this on a system that isn't really flying off the shelves? Namco said NA won't get the Vita remakes because of slow sales yet you clowns think Nintendo with their amazing Wii-U is somehow entitled to games by a THIRD PARTY developer/publisher. Laughing

(Edited part about the Wii-U being a piece of crap due to unreleased games like Bayonetta 2 and the new Monolith Soft game which may or may not be awesome)

Dessa wrote:

This whole "why isn't it on Wii U" arguing is bothering me a bit, especially since the Wii U uses a different control scheme than is already supported by the games.

Regardless, I looked at the mothership titles for the series, to look at systems. Enhanced rereleases are included in the listings as a rerelease of the original game. Each game will be listed as follows:

...

The ONLY games that are Nintendo-only are the second 2 Narikiri Dungeon games (Gameboy Advance), the Summoner's Lineage game (GBA), Tempest (DS), and Symphonia 2 (Wii). So there's only ONE console Tales game that has never been released on a Sony system, and only 5 and an online PC game total.

Why are people questioning that this is on PS3 again?

I don't know about the others but i wasn't questioning that. All i was expecting is that NAMCO could finally show some respect for the people who buy their games in other platforms and make it multi plat. At least a WiiU/PS3 release since the main game was a Gamecube(lol) exclusive and yet, it is the most sold Tales title till today(lol what).
I guess i was expecting too much from those rats.

notreve wrote:

Dessa wrote:

This whole "why isn't it on Wii U" arguing is bothering me a bit, especially since the Wii U uses a different control scheme than is already supported by the games.

Regardless, I looked at the mothership titles for the series, to look at systems. Enhanced rereleases are included in the listings as a rerelease of the original game. Each game will be listed as follows:

...

The ONLY games that are Nintendo-only are the second 2 Narikiri Dungeon games (Gameboy Advance), the Summoner's Lineage game (GBA), Tempest (DS), and Symphonia 2 (Wii). So there's only ONE console Tales game that has never been released on a Sony system, and only 5 and an online PC game total.

Why are people questioning that this is on PS3 again?

I don't know about the others but i wasn't questioning that. All i was expecting is that NAMCO could finally show some respect for the people who buy their games in other platforms and make it multi plat. At least a WiiU/PS3 release since the main game was a Gamecube(lol) exclusive and yet, it is the most sold Tales title till today(lol what).
I guess i was expecting too much from those rats.

That link shows that in Japan, the best selling non Sony Tales game in Japan is Tales of Phantasia for SNES, and thats 12th overall. Japan is the main market, so seeing that list it makes more sense than ever why they are focusing on the Sony systems.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/04/15/tales-of-producer-talks-about-jrpg-changes-over-15-years-of-tales/

Quote:

We will always cater towards the Japanese market first, without even realizing it. Since that’s where we’re based, it can’t be helped! And while we are aware of the increase of interest in the eastern market, and it’s something we do consider when making certain decisions, we will first and foremost be catering towards Japanese players.

*excuse me while I die and go to ToS fangirl heaven*

Now please just confirm that the anime is coming over to the states :3

I seriously don't think anyone with half a brain thought any future Tales game released in the US would be on anything but Sony.

Grace got ported to the PS3. Vesperia, although it did not make the US, got a better version on the PS3 that a lot of people a still clamoring for. Xillia is coming out in the US, with a collector's edition no less, and Xillia 2 might follow suit.

So, of course they are going to release a Symphonia compilation on the Wii U. Right? Wrong.

And honestly Symphonia would have sold better on the PS2 in the US than it did on the gamecube. PS2 was ungodly heavy on rpgs, it was a really popular genre.

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