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YamadaKun
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Because of Treasure Planet and a few others did not do so well. Before 2000, most Americans were used to "hand drawn animation" rather than CG. |
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Dimlos
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And honestly, I say this as someone who never watches anime dubbed. |
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Jave
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America shut down all it's animation studios in the 90s and 00s. They fully embraced CG and Flash and the industry has went down the crapper ever since so I'm happy Japan didn't do the same
Is it because most anime don't get dubs?  Hard to prefer a dub that doesn't exist.
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YamadaKun
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Correction, they outsource to Taiwan, India, South Korea, China and the Philippines, because they can do the same quality of animation for a fraction of what America demands. There are still loads of animation studios. Also, ink and paint and other stuff like that are done Stateside, mostly. It's because being an animator is a much better job than it is in Japan. Top animators in Japan get about $30,000 per year. Pixar animators get a LOT more than that. Also, stop being such a nostalgia junkie. Personally, I think Japanese animators should do much 3D animations. Also, it's not like anime hasn't taken a hit. It's not nearly as profitable as it was back in like 2004. |
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Ambimunch
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In terms of ghibli films, I think disney does a good job for dubbing :/ |
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CastMember1991
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Don't forget Japan, they did some outsourced work too. Remember how TMS Entertainment (the studio behind Case Closed, a.k.a. Detective Conan) usually worked on some US made shows from Disney, and helped Warner Bros. with Batman: The Animated Series? |
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YamadaKun
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Yeah, I know. TMS are considered to be expensive, but their animation is very good. Ducktales had direct to video quality animation during the TMS episodes. The Taiwan episodes only have above average animation. Same with Chip and Dale. Yeah, Warner Bros also liked to use TMS for Batman TAS, The New Batman Adventures and the super fluid Looney Tunes spinoffs Animaniacs and Tiny Toons Adventures, which had about 25,000 cels per episode on average, though Kennedy did TT and that could have shitty animations. Also, Disney of Japan did some animation for Little Mermaid, as well as some of the Disney Toon movies, like Return to Neverland, which had a $20 million budget. |
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mdo7
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Sunrise also helped with Batman: TAS too. That's why Sunrise's The Big O seem to have been influenced by Batman. Roger Smith=Bruce Wayne/Batman Griffon (Roger's car)=Batmobile Norman=Alfred Dan Dastun=Comissioner Jim Gordon I'm kinda sad that Sunrise didn't lend their animation expertise to Gotham Knight. |
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Jave
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I'd hope so, they work at movie studios and not on TV.
Kennedy was pretty bad But Encore was the worst
TMS is definitely the best. |
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Looneygamemaster
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Glad to hear this news, since I'd heard Disney was done with Ghibli. Hope this movie's good.
Off-topic... I see people praising TMS, and yeah, they can be very good--when they either want to, or someone forces them to. I think their work for Warner Bros turned out so well because the guys behind Tiny Toons, Batman, etc. knew how to work them. Because you take a look at the stuff they did for DiC, or the 90s Spider-Man show, and there is a massive drop in quality. And I haven't yet been too impressed by any anime they've done--so it seems they fall into the "brilliant but lazy" category overall. |
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YamadaKun
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You haven't watched Akira, have you? If you have, how can you not be impressed? That animation has yet to be outdone by any anime, as of now. It has more cels than Princess Mononoke, which is from 9 years AFTER Akira. |
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Jose Cruz
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Number of cells: Akira: 160,000 PM: 144,000 Spirited Away: 112,000 Howl's: 148,000 Ponyo: 170,000 The Wind Rises: 250,000 Budget (millions of yen): Akira: 1,100 Ghost in the Shell: 600 PM: 2,400 Perfect Blue: 120 Spirited Away: 1,900 Howl's: 2,400 Ponyo: 3,400 Typical anime films cost between 100 and 800 million yen. Higher budgets than that only Ghibli and a few blockbusters like Akira. Anyway, budget is not everything: experience also means a lot, modern anime makers can make very realistic animation at a low cost: K-ON, the tv series, has some really impressive animation (IMO) and it's cost is very low (probably less than 100 million yen for a set of 4 episodes, which is the length of a film). The level of detail in Ghibli animation is also higher than in Akira. So PM has less cells but it cost more than twice as much (2.4 billion yen versus 1.1 billion yen). Overall, Akira had the best animation ever in 1988, PM had the best animation ever up to 1997 (physics was better handled in Princess Mononoke than Akira, even though the framerate was slightly lower) and The Wind Rises has probably now the best animation quality ever on a animated film up to now, very high framerates, high level of detail and very high level of physical realism. Though I haven't watched it yet. Among hand drawn animation I have watched the most visually impressive ever is Howl's Moving Castle: It's level of detail and physical realism just awe inspiring, even though it's framerate is lower than Akira and Disney's films. Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke are also extremely impressive works of hand drawn animation, even though they have lower framerates than Akira the level of detail and physical realism is higher. Also, I must finally add that while in terms of films most movies made outside of Japan are CGI, the fact remains that Japan produces more animated films than the rest of the world combined (well, the US produces around 15 animated features per year while Japan produced 120 in 2005), thus the majority of animated films made in the world is still hand drawn. Also, most adult animation is hand drawn even in the US: The Simpsons, Family Guy, etc, are hand drawn, South Park is 2D CGI. |
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Jose Cruz
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One problem though is also that most CGI movies are made for 5 year olds and so the graphics have very low level of detail. However, some CGI made for teenagers and adults can be very detailed such as the cutscenes of the last videogames like Starcraft II and it's expansions. Still, I prefer the more aggressive look of 2D animation. |
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Looneygamemaster
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Yeah, um...no. In general, American CGI movies are made for the same audience as American 2D movies. I prefer hand-drawn animation as well, but let's please not make such silly generalities. Getting somewhat back on topic, I've admittedly not seen all of Disney's dubs, but I've never been annoyed by celebrity casting and performance...except maybe Phil Hartman in Kiki's Delivery Service. Why this insistence on using nothing but professional voice actors? Disney's been doing celebrity casting since the 50s, and they generally do a good job (generally, mind you). |
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TurnerJ
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Same here. What does it matter who Disney decides to choose for its voice actors? As long as the dub is good, then that's what matters. And frankly, a lot of us think the Ghibli dubs by Disney are terrific. |
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