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leafy sea dragon
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You doubt the quality of series like Gravity Falls and Steven Universe?
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Just-another-face
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I'm talking about garbage like Adventure Time and Clarence. And for the record, I don't know what people see in Steven Universe, but that's just my opinion. I can give Gravity Falls the credit it deserves however. |
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John Thacker
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It's a fixed cost. Licensing fees can vary greatly depending on how popular the show is and what the licensor thinks that they can get for it. So while licensing fees may scale down with a less popular show (or if a rights owner just wants to get it out there to sell more expensive home video releases or other complementary goods, a la Aniplex of America), for a sufficiently unpopular show additional languages just aren't worth it for the same reason that a dub just isn't worth it. (A sufficiently unpopular show won't get made in the first place, but it's the Japanese home video sales that are driving the show for late night shows and OVAs.) |
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Buzz201
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It kind of is, but only from a business stand point. It's because the North American market is worth more, and European rights aren't neccesarily worth it to them. I completely understand why all these companies prioritise NA, but that doesn't preclude me from being disappointed that they do. A French service that doesn't operate in NA (or least English-speaking NA) - you mean like Wakanim or Anime Digital Network? I think Crunchyroll is going after that market too, hence their recent French-language acquisitions of Gangsta. and Prison School. I didn't say it here, but I don't think Viewster will succeed in NA, I think they'd probably be far more successful if they stayed in Europe and focussed more on aggressively conquering the market here. |
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leafy sea dragon
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Well, people really like Adventure Time and Clarence, including myself, so much that they have significant fandoms of their own, particularly Adventure Time (and it allowed Pendleton Ward to have a little animation empire of his own online and via his colleagues). I don't know if you recognize who my avatar is, but it also demonstrates I am a fan of a western cartoon that I know is highly divisive, at least online, that also has a pretty large fandom, even if said fandom can be sometimes obnoxious. (What isn't divisive online now though?) But well, to each their own. I'm on an anime site, and as a long time western animation fan, I've seen the rivalry between anime and western animation firsthand a lot.
Hmm, I always had the impression that licensing fees for anime are all astronomical regardless of the show. That is, I thought that these Japanese companies, once they see a western company is interested in a show, is going to demand large amounts because they think the western company sees a lot of potential selling it overseas. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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Crunchyroll don't have the US rights either so you can't complain that, as Crunchyroll customers, we were missing out. In the case of Blood Blockade the UK license could have gone either to FUNimation (who have the US license) or Kaze (who are streaming it in France) and either would have prevented CR getting it. We don't know where Viewster licensed it from.
It is how it is. If they can't get the US, then most of the time there is no point in them going after the English rights for any other regions (and literally can't in the case where FUNimation has already snapped most of them up etc.)
There have been some UK and Scandiwegian licenses that have only been possible due to subscribers (and indeed some shows that have only been available to subscribers). My information on this dates back to when Rob was still with the company (he is now with Viewster and has done other things inbetween) so I'm not sure exactly where things stand these days, nor can I recall a recent subscriber-only show in the UK. I have quotes, but I'd have to dig them out.
They've also advertised for UK-based employees. Here's one: UK Market Development Manager |
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Polycell
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Beyond single countries, Latin America's really the only place that starts to fill the second two criteria - and even then you've got to pick a dialect of Spanish(I'm not sure how the licensing schemes typically work for the region). Ignoring ability to pay, the other large region with a single language would be Africa, where most of the population is well versed in French and/or Swahili - but there's the tiny problem of those countries being unlikely to get their crap together any time soon(thank you foreign aid). |
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Buzz201
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In reply to somebody else, Viewster mentioned Anime Ltd.'s twitter feed, and the announcement occurred 2 weeks after Andrew Partridge was celebrating getting one of his two favourite shows for the year on Twitter. (He has said during the podcasts that he likes the show and "maybe there's something that can be done there".) We also know Anime Ltd. are holding back announcements for MCM Manchester, make of that what you will...
It's not a UK and/or Scandinavian exclusive, but World Trigger is subscriber only in the UK. It goes free (or is at least listed as going free) one week later in certain parts of the world, so I think it's something Toei Europe have specified.
The UK & Ireland gets bundled with America a lot (as part of an English-language deal), which means we get a lot of shows, eventually, For whatever reason, FUNi will always go after a package deal, with most distributors it's English-language rights, but some (like NBCUniversal Entertainment Japan) bundle all of the Americas together, for their shows and then sub-licence them to a local licensor, unfortunately the way they do this often precludes the show from being simulcast in the UK. Hence why you see a bunch of foreigners upset whenever FUNi licenses a show, because it invariably means somebody somewhere won't be able to stream it. |
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Shiroi Hane
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A FUNi license in no way precludes it being streamed, it just usually ends up not happening.
For a season or two I watched FUNimation simulcasts on YouTube (Campanella, Denyuuden, C3 etc.) This stopped when they stopped putting simulcasts on YouTube (and even when they do upload whole episodes now, they're usually locked to UA/CA by default). For one season, all the FUNimation shows with UK rights included were streamed on Animac (e.g. Selector Infected Wixoss and Noragami). We had a couple of FUNimation-licensed shows on Viewster last season, although it is unclear whether they were sub-licensed from FUNimation or direct from Japan. |
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mangamuscle
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There is no need to choose a dialect, we are not china, when dubbing/subtitling for the whole region (instead of say, for Mexico only consumption) you use neutral latin spanish, basically removing some words that may have other (vulgar or double entendre*) meaning in the region, which is a little different from european castillian spanish, but even them would undestand it. * Kagome from Inuyasha had for that reason to change her name to Kaome in the spanish dub ^^; |
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Buzz201
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2 shows on Viewster during the winter season and 2 shows on Viewster during the spring season, made available about 11 weeks in to the season. I was over-exaggerating, but I think you're being a too little generous. Also, worth noting that it's not just us that get caught out by it. Apparently FUNi holds pan-American rights to Seraph of the End - Vampire Reign, and aren't streaming it outside North America. (For reference, Anime Ltd. holds most of the European rights.) |
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