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El Hermano
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Don't confuse a few people being outraged over Shun's change as it not being for people who care about social justice. It's most certainly aimed at them and the culture they helped shaped where it's impossible to have an all-male cast in 2019 so a change was all but mandatory. Like Sergorn said it's for the 327 million Americans who never bothered with Saint Seiya, and most them aren't going to know who Shun is. But they will notice that Netflix put out a show starring 5 "white" guys with zero women in it and go after it as such.
I don't see how it's any different than what Netflix did with Voltron. They turned the youngest, smallest, and weakest member into a girl which seems just as stereotypical on paper but that fan-base ate it up. |
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Sergorn
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If they'd genderswapped any other Saints, we would have had the same sort of outrage from fans anyway, not to mention each cos its own sets of "issues".
Seiya ? You'd have the whole "But I don't want to hero to be a girl !!!!" crowd Shiryu ? He's the guy who get all his power when he is all naked, I'm sure that would have gone well with a woman. Hyoga ? He's the guy who kept getting emotionnal and cry, again and again. Yeah that would not feel at all like a "girly" clech either 
Ikki ? A tomboy character ! Not a cliche at all. Things is StSeiya characters are very much archetypes, and would still be is turned into women, and people would find reason to complain anyway so it's a no-win situation with fans anyway. Frankly I've been watching StS for 30 years and this changes doesn't bother me one bit. If anything I welcome it actually because I feel it's a great to have a woman in the group (Omega's Yuna most definitly proved that) and I agree with Eugene Son's view that going all sausage fest for a 2019 series would feel... date. Hell personally I would even have went further and have two girls in the main group, thus going back to the traditionanl sentai formula which inspired Saint Seiya : 3 mens, 2 women. 
And yeah some will say "They could just have added a sixth main character" (which they actually considered, putting Cameleon June as a new character) but it's not that easy because StS is carefully balanced for its five character group. Add another and it breaks that balance - like imagine the Sanctuary battle against the Golds : you'd have to have one of the classic characters lose some of their iconic fights for the new woman character, or just have her serve as a support and... look don't we suffer enough of that in many shonens ? At least we know Shaun will get her time to shine in the series. So yeah I think it's a good decision on the whole, or at the very least the letter of evils if you want to put a woman character in Saint Seiya (And yeah this is EXACTLY was they did with Voltron, and Pidge was ma favorite character of the reboot) -Sergorn |
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Black Turtle
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The idea it was meant for kids is a misinterpretation due to using western standard to japanese anime. Cartoons were only aimed kids (or satire for adults), and rarely for teenagers. Thus it lead to the idea that there was big difference in how violence kids could see, because they assumed that it was meant for the same public as the TNMT cartoon, for example, when it was aimed for a slightly older audience. There might still have been a gap in what is acceptable, but not as much as that, just look at some 10+ or 12+ action movies of the 80's and 90's, and I'm not sure you'll still think the japanese are the one that accept more violents things. There was the same problem with things like Fist of the North Star, that aired past 11pm, but was still considered for kids because it was animation. To this day, that misunderstanding still lives.
(I want to make it clear I don't care. From what I've seen, it's not for me. I have some kind of Nostalgia with StS, but except The Lost Canvas, everything StS has sucked for more than a decade. The drama about the CG show entertained me a lot though) |
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Sergorn
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That's incorrect. The producer of the TV series flat out says in the DVD extras of the original series that the series was aimed for kids in elementary-school, and that it even surprisingly got success with kids in KINTERGARTEN as well. They actually created the Steel Saints for these young kids. The manga aimed a tad older (they actually mention softening up some things a bit in the anime), but not that much. Might seem crazy for our western sensitivities but it's true. That's why seeing StS fans about how Saint Seiya Omega was "for kids" was hilarious, because Omega aimed the exact same age bracket as the original series - it's just that sensibilities in Japan changed in twenty+ years.
Hyoga is much more a crybaby than Shun, really. Remove the pink (which is not even specifically considered a "girl color" in Japan) and Shun it's all that girly, he's just a good looking strong guy who doesn't like violence but who still fight when he needs to. Western fans of StS have a distorted view of the character and his signifiance as if he was anything special, but there were characters like him in shonen before, and especially Kurumada's previous works. (Now to be fair, the anime did tend to make all the characters more caricatural, like how Shun kept being saved his brother which rarely happens in the original manga. And it was the same with the others characters their archetypal traits just turned into caricatures) -Sergorn |
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